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Hogithum Preparations
      #2304179 - 03/02/04 04:12 PM

While the trial of Vehk is in recess, please use this hall to make preparations for the summoning of Azura on Hogithum, 21st First Seed (21st March). You may bring your questions for Azura here.

You may also use this hall to gather the materials needed for the summoning by our priest, Ainoryl, who says:

"In this act I will require four gifts, worthy of Azura:

-The artifact Azura’s Star. It rests in Vvardenfell.

-The antlers of the beast King Dead Wolf-Deer. The beast was last seen in High Rock.

-A single ringlet from the Wraithmail of Alandro-Sul, son of Azura. It may be found in Vvardenfell.

-The last gift to the Goddess of Dusk and Dawn may be found here. A shadow stripped, willingly and permanently, from one who watches this trial.

Any who would aid in the gathering of these items, step forward.
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Vehk
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Ah [Re: tegger]
      #2304202 - 03/02/04 04:30 PM

A splendid hall, Maiden Teggers. This will please her Ladyship, as house and House, where it shall be known for eternity as that place where Vehk's final doom came to him at last. GHARTOK PADHOME AI. Now, sweet maiden, might you wish to recline with me and learn the belly-magics of the Star-wounded East? If you become lonely, I know of a new Tribunal I can command to join us, bringing grapes.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Vehk]
      #2304225 - 03/02/04 04:51 PM

For expediency's sake (and to refresh incoming delegates, Council members, and non-corporeal beings) I shall post the current standing of preparations for the summoning of Azura.

    -Azura’s Star was last heard of in the possession of Vvardenfell’s Nerevarine, who likely traveled with it to the Nordic island of Solstheim or secreted it away here on Vvardenfell for safe-keeping before departing there. The Nerevarine’s whereabouts are unknown since the events of the Bloodmoon Prophecies. A delegate should likely be chosen to travel to Solstheim to investigate, preferably not of elven blood. I have sent word to Hasphat Antabolis asking for any information he or the guild leaders of Vvardenfell might have on its whereabouts, if a search of Solstheim proves fruitless.

    -The Antlers of King Dead Wolf-Deer remain unaccounted for, though the beast is or was native to High Rock. I was born in High Rock, but confess complete ignorance of the creature.

    -Lord T.S. Basilisk has volunteered to lead the research efforts into locating a ringlet from the Wraithmail of Alandro-Sul. No other information is currently known.

    -I have volunteered my own shadow for the purposes of the summoning.

Open questions from the Trial thus far should likely be compiled in a similar fashion to the above and pared down to their most concise and incisive forms.

Do not be too smug in your own condemnation, Vehk. Acquittal is not beyond the realm of possibility.

--Louis D'Onus
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Re: Ah [Re: Vehk]
      #2304241 - 03/02/04 04:58 PM

My dear Vehk,

As flattered as I truly am by the attentions of one so... experienced as yourself, I fear that my body would adapt to these belly-magics much better than would be good for my mind. Tempting as your offer may be, I currently have no desire to dwell in Sheogorath's shadow.

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Ah well [Re: tegger]
      #2304253 - 03/02/04 05:05 PM

Ah well, entertaining myself, it seems. It *is* why I grew all these extra limbs...

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2304274 - 03/02/04 05:17 PM

Quote:

Open questions from the Trial thus far should likely be compiled in a similar fashion to the above and pared down to their most concise and incisive forms.




Excellent ideas, LDones, and thank you for posting the status of the materials needed for the summoning.

I would remind everyone that they should please restrict questions to Azura within topics that are pertinent to the trial. As Vehk mentioned, we may not have Azura's presence for very long, so we need to make every moment (and question) of the summoning well spent.

And Vehk, the sadness (or is it merely ennui?) I sense in you almost makes me regret my gentle rebuff. Almost.

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This really won't do [Re: LDones]
      #2304294 - 03/02/04 05:24 PM

Quote:

Do not be too smug in your own condemnation, Vehk. Acquittal is not beyond the realm of possibility.


What great dreams they have when so young! And now, dear boy, for being naughty, I am taking your head for an hour.

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Dreams of Universes Old and New [Re: Vehk]
      #2304581 - 03/02/04 08:40 PM

Far be it from me to pass up a good quest, but I’m looking for other things at the moment. Good luck in collecting said gifts. I anxiously await the 21st of First Seed.

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Nigedo: Then let us delve deeper into the apparent mystery of your present mortality. From whence does it proceed? Does it have no past, no ancestor, no precedent? Do you not walk Time's straight line with all mortals? Then see what lies behind you, or dare you not look over your shoulder?



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Vehk: I will leave it to others to find where I have written all this before.




I am drawn to the words that Vehk spoke days ago, "I will leave it to others to find where I have written all this before."

I went to bed with these words dancing in my head. And I dreamt. Visions of a world long ago permeated my slumber. I saw unborn Vehk sitting in the womb, ready to be born for the very first time. Or was it the second? Vehk's voice called to me, "I had hoped that you would be one of the ones to look for it."

I awoke!

Feverishly, I began to scan the 36 Sermons in an attempt to find where Vehk had “written all this before."

Let’s begin the discussion with a portion of Sermon One:
    Then the Barons and the Demiprince joined together into a pillar of fighting styles terrible to behold and they danced before the egg and its learning image.

    'Look, little Vehk, and find the face behind the splendor of my bladed carriage, for in it is delivered the unmixed conflict path, perfect in every way. What is its number?'

    It is said the number is the number of birds that can nest in an ancient tibrol tree, less three grams of honest work, but Vivec in his later years found a better one and so gave this secret to his people.

    'For I have crushed a world with my left hand,' he will say, 'but in my right hand is how it could have won against me. Love is under my will only.
I leave this with you for now. I will return later to comment and share other findings.

Until then...

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: tegger]
      #2305182 - 03/03/04 12:37 AM

I don't want make a very personal question... but in Morrowind... Azura have finally a complete Dress????

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Morgiah]
      #2305857 - 03/03/04 05:33 AM

Having made pilgrimages to not less than two of Azura's statues in Vvardenfell, I can indeed say that in at least some depictions, Azura has a complete dress. A rather nice one, too.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2306005 - 03/03/04 06:16 AM

Well, it would appear things are coming along quite nicely. I have searched through ancient records and can find no trace or mention of a "King Dead Wolf-Deer". I could go and question the locals about such a creature, though I am very unfamiliar with the area. If no other option comes about, I will go, though I hope it will not be neccessary.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2306211 - 03/03/04 07:15 AM

This could very well be a certain aspect of a certain hunter of Daedric origin, last seen causing trouble in Solstheim, hint, hint ........ I could be wrong though........

*Takes seat in a dark corner*

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2306213 - 03/03/04 07:15 AM

A very fine hall, indeed. While the search for the items to summon Azura takes place, let us not forget our other purposes:

1) to form a list of questions for Azura about the crimes of Vivec towards Nerevar and the gods, and
2) to question Vivec regarding other crimes.

Vehk, before our change of venue, we were discussing the nature of your crimes against the people of Morrowind. Your argument, if I have understood it correctly, was that your behavior was not worse than that of Mephala, whom you replaced in the worship of the people of Morrowind; and that, in any case, you did not usurp the worship of Mephala because your acts were themselves part of the worship of Mephala.

This is roughly the same argument by which the Tribunal temple names Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala the Anticipations of Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and yourself.

In support of this argument you summoned a witness of great authority but small reliability, Sheogorath, the Daedra Prince of Madness, who said, among other things, that many people preferred you to Mephala and being eaten by slaughterfish to both of you. You then attempted to justify your argument by quoting Sheogorath out of context.

I tend to agree that you have behaved no worse than Mephala towards the Dunmer people. I will even concede that there is, in the Dunmer, an enduring joy in the ways of Mephala which is alien to me as a Nord. Folk of many races object to sex and murder in various combinations, but I cannot judge the customs of a people so different from my own. Perhaps Nigedo and the other Dunmer present can speak more to the purpose.

I do not concede that you, Vehk, in matching the conduct of a Daedra, are blameless. By whose authority do you stand in Mephala's place? And it may be that what is no crime for a Daedra is still a crime for you.

Which leads me to a question for Azura.


Did the three Daedra Princes known as the Anticipations, Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala, in fact bless the ascension of the Tribunal to godhood? Are the words of the Tribunal Temple regarding the Anticipations blasphemy, or worship?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2306245 - 03/03/04 07:22 AM

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    -Azura’s Star was last heard of in the possession of Vvardenfell’s Nerevarine, who likely traveled with it to the Nordic island of Solstheim or secreted it away here on Vvardenfell for safe-keeping before departing there. The Nerevarine’s whereabouts are unknown since the events of the Bloodmoon Prophecies. A delegate should likely be chosen to travel to Solstheim to investigate, preferably not of elven blood. I have sent word to Hasphat Antabolis asking for any information he or the guild leaders of Vvardenfell might have on its whereabouts, if a search of Solstheim proves fruitless..





Hmm...I have recently spent several months on Solstheim, researching the mythology and lore of the Skaal. I volunteer to undertake the search, at the tribunals approval, of course.

-Lugagius, Imperial

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2306415 - 03/03/04 08:00 AM

I had planned to travel to High Rock to visit some of the Dwemer ruins near-by, so I will be honoured to find The antlers of the beast King Dead Wolf-Deer while I am there. Unless there are any objections.

-Stri'Ker

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2306450 - 03/03/04 08:10 AM

I myself have no objections, such expeditions are not my forte. I have little doubt that if the referenced "creature" is Hircine, he will be surely hard to find (particularly considering recent rumors going around the Nordic population). Nonetheless, I wish you well my good Khajiit.

Girai Harkaanius

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2306457 - 03/03/04 08:12 AM

These preceedings are surely bones in the belly of the beast. It is not my place to speak, but I must declare the prosecuting party, incompetent, by my standards of preparation. I am troubled by the accusations brought upon your defendant while there is no worthwhile evidence at present.

Witnesses?

Statements?

Blood of old?

Shadows now lost in the Giver of Life?

I move that this, "Court", present more than simple rumor and opinionated assumption for this lynching to continue. The summoning of "The Great Mother" *sneer* is hardly justification to extend this ludicrous venture. Perhaps the "Courts" would prefer to journey to the Times of Past and revive all their necessary evidence?

Justice. A word the weak gave birth to so others may give them security, well being. and self pleasure. Be done with this mockery of your "Criminal System". Lord Vivec is simply not here for your pleasure.... or is he. I refrain from answering that. *grin*




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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306482 - 03/03/04 08:19 AM

Thank you for your comments Mannimarco, they are noted.

Please... tell us who you would call or what methods you would enact for the proper appropriation of:-

Witnesses?

Statements?

Blood of old?

Shadows now lost in the Giver of Life?

Quote:

Be done with this mockery of your "Criminal System". Lord Vivec is simply not here for your pleasure....



It clearly appears to have escaped your attention that Vehk himself has demanded this trial be continued and set both the prosecution and the order of the procedure. Take this up with him.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2306485 - 03/03/04 08:20 AM

The worship of Mephala, as any of the Anticipations, is a strange beast. As you may know he/she is most widely worshiped in a specific sense by the Morag Tong, for he/she is the reason they exist and the reason they continue to function. And as such most Dunmer will concede that he/she is an important part of our daily lives, because without them we would most likely succomb to the barbaric nature of open warfare that the other more "civilized" nations of Tamriel bow to. Outside the Morag Tong he/she is generally always either lumped in with Lord Vivec or as part of the three Anticipations. There is the exception of her role in our begining but the Three have tought my people that though they are mostly responsible for our exodus they have served their purpose and are no longer worthy of worship.

While not forbidden it is deffinately frowned upon for any normal Dunmer to have a shrine in his/her name specificly. His/Her name is often praised when invoking Vivec's name but mearly as his precurssor and as such is often seen as unnessisary since Vivec has taken his/her place.

I would definately say that, outside the Morag Tong, Vivec is has been much better to my people than Mephala because even though his/her sphere is hidden to mortals she still only answers to those things that can bring glory to his/herself.

EDIT: Ah so the self styled God of Worms has made yet another appearance while I wrote my letter. Though I tend to agree with your objections it seems fitting that you would find these proceedings troubling, since your current state can be directly attributed to one of the things Vivec is being put on trial for.

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Edited by Nazz (03/03/04 08:25 AM)

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: tegger]
      #2306492 - 03/03/04 08:22 AM

Mordechai Ben Yossef was quietly sitting in his comfortable estate. Many years had passed since he had joined house Redoran, and many were the tales he could tell - or remember, for that matter.
The breton had on many occasions ventured forth into pointless tasks. Sometimes to gain acceptance as an 'outlander', which he would always be, in any land of any empire, And sometimes, out of curiosity.

He had never much understood the dunmer religion, but was smart enough never to speak openly against it. After all, if the tribunal were "only very powerful sorcerers" or "real gods" wasn't one matter one wanted to discuss, especially when the subject was capable of burning your house down in a second.

But as he had heard of various accounts of the Nerevarine - one who came to lead the dunmer, and would be seen as an outcast at first - He felt some sort of sympathy for the chap. Or lady. He couldn't remember. He'd lived something like this, though far less prophecised and far-fetched than whatever this messiah had accomplished.

As such, he had begun to take interest in Vekh's trial. "Who would ever care about a millenia-old crime?", he thought. "Even an old man as I can only be remotely interested about these news, and it has been a slow month."

Nevertheless, it seemed that this very powerful being was bored, as it let itself be judged. It? He? She? He/She? Och, du liebe. These chochems and mayvens thought they had "caught" him, too.

Now, this kind of rambling lasted long enough for Mordechai to wait for supper-time.
After a good smoke, as he emptied his pipe, he gave more thought to the invocation of Azura. Now, that would be a sight.
"What was on the list, again?", he said to himself. "The wraith-mail of Alandro Sul. A klog iz mir! I knew it was somewhere around this place!"
This night wouldn't be spent remembering his youth. Well, it would be, but in the company of all this shmek tabik he went into dwemer ruins and dunmer tombs for.
And maybe - just maybe - there would be one coat that would be useful among this "garbage".
As such, the rummaging of his treasury begun.


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306742 - 03/03/04 09:17 AM

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These preceedings are surely bones in the belly of the beast. It is not my place to speak, but I must declare the prosecuting party, incompetent, by my standards of preparation. I am troubled by the accusations brought upon your defendant while there is no worthwhile evidence at present.
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Witnesses?
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Statements?
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Blood of old?
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Shadows now lost in the Giver of Life?



You want statements? Will a confession suffice, God of Worms?

When shown the hidden message of his Sermons (revealed by Sermon 29), Vehk had this to say:

    As Vehk and Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands.

    Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.

    Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.

    And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.

    Know that with the Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie.
I suppose, in your opinion, that is not a worthwhile statement, and perhaps you are correct. Vehk claims to have done this in a different Time-Place, and therefore, the Vehk we see today, is not the Vehk who committed said crime. I am searching for information to either support or refute his claim.

In my previous address to the Council, I mentioned passages from Sermon One:

    'For I have crushed a world with my left hand,' he will say, 'but in my right hand is how it could have won against me. Love is under my will only.'
Here is the first claim that is made in the Sermons.

Also in that Sermon, I find a question that seems to beg to be answered. Or does it?:
    "Look, little Vehk, and find the face behind the splendor of my bladed carriage, for in it is delivered the unmixed conflict path, perfect in every way. What is its number?'

    It is said the number is the number of birds that can nest in an ancient tibrol tree, less three grams of honest work, but Vivec in his later years found a better one and so gave this secret to his people."
I have yet to find the answer, nor do I think one will be found.

Please excuse me. I'm going to enlist some help. I shall present more information at a later time.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306871 - 03/03/04 09:50 AM

Quote:

These preceedings are surely bones in the belly of the beast. It is not my place to speak, but I must declare the prosecuting party, incompetent, by my standards of preparation. I am troubled by the accusations brought upon your defendant while there is no worthwhile evidence at present.

Witnesses?

Statements?

Blood of old?

Shadows now lost in the Giver of Life?





Since i made some of the accusations i think i have to answer for this. I only had to make the accusations. Its the advocates and judges who have to search for the evidences and see if the accusations are fit, or not, based on the found evidences.

First accusation:

The Murder of Nerevear.

Witnesses: Nerevar himself if he could remenber the past of his former life. Vivec, or the first Vivec if you believe him, and if you believe on his version. The Sermons. Other documents found in Morrowind. Azura herself.

Second Accusation:

The use of the hearth that caused this world to almost be consumed by an incurable plague and an insane warlock. Hiding this from the Emperor until it was almost too late.

Witnesses: Everyone knows it happened. The question how could the Tribunal get absolution on this. And dont tell me that the rulers of the Empire dont have the right to regulate how everyone uses magic when the world we live on his a magic fireball ready to explode whenever some wizard lunatic finds discovers a new magical trigger to activate the bomb.

Third Accusation:

False claims of goodhood.

Witness: Yourself Manimarco. You are a God and this truth is not disputed by the Elder Council. When you become a God your body transcended and a new star has revealed itself in the skies so that everyone would know it was not just a trick of magic maintained by a rare artifact of power. Are you a god Manimarco ? Then you could speak if the Tribunals god claims are a blasphemy or not if you are willing to.

Fourth Accusation:

Comspiracy againts the empire by using the sermons against the empire.

Wintenesses. The hidden sermons in Vivecs secret library. The work of agent Dalin of the Blades in the Imperial library. This 1.5 meter wood-elf, alone and fighting their way against toons of her-hands and vivecs mercenaries as gathered the proofs you seek.

There are other accusations from other honest citizens of the empire.


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I move that this, "Court", present more than simple rumor and opinionated assumption for this lynching to continue. The summoning of "The Great Mother" *sneer* is hardly justification to extend this ludicrous venture. Perhaps the "Courts" would prefer to journey to the Times of Past and revive all their necessary evidence?

Justice. A word the weak gave birth to so others may give them security, well being. and self pleasure. Be done with this mockery of your "Criminal System". Lord Vivec is simply not here for your pleasure.... or is he. I refrain from answering that. *grin*





You misplace justice God. Justice is not the mortals toy you speak of. Every spirit, including yourself, even Anu/Pandomei will one day be looked upon by the eye of justice and when it happens, creation itself will be judged and weighted in a balance, so that is true value will be known. Justice is every where and in every spirit.

I bow to no God and justice doesnt have a need for one. The Gods are welcome if they come for good and it is my judgement on that and if they not then to the hell with you and them.

This purpose of this court is to form a veredict when all the evidences and witnesses against the Tribunal crimes have been brought and the judges are satisfied. Then whatever happens next will satisfy the ones i have to report when this is all over.


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2306873 - 03/03/04 09:50 AM

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Please... tell us who you would call or what methods you would enact for the proper appropriation of:-




You ask methods of me? I am not witness. I am not council. I merely stand as audience to amuse myself with these preceedings. It is you and your colleagues who have taken on the "heroics" of judgment. I have my methods. Oh yes, I most certainly do. Of course, I am not judge nor council here, so it is only just, that I share not my "modus operandi".

Witnesses? I see none.... living.

Statements? I've heard none.... from the living.

Blood of old? Oh yes, it is MUCH "speculated".

Shadows now lost in the Giver of Life? With the passing of time, mysteries evolve. As do stories, grow and twist in form. With the birth of every new dawn, a new chapter is housed in every book of history. Just who is it that grants life to these chapters? Those who "hear tale" of this, "History".

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Be done with this mockery of your "Criminal System". Lord Vivec is simply not here for your pleasure....

It clearly appears to have escaped your attention that Vehk himself has demanded this trial be continued and set both the prosecution and the order of the procedure. Take this up with him.




Ah, alas, I need not ask the one standing trial. I understand all too clearly why he has allowed such audience. In time, I foresee you WILL learn the truth. I dare say, that it is not Lord Vehk who stands on trial. What punishment could you mere mortals hand down on Lord Vehk had you found him guilty of crime? *laugh*

Yes, the real question here is, who is on trial? Lord Vehk is quite cunning. Your audience feeds his hunger. I simply wonder if your ability to keep him "fed" is enough to subdue the Wrath of Outer Intention.

Know this mortals....

You stir the very coals that keep the Millenia Dragon in slumber. Your meddling may be just the action the Dragon wants to awaken from it's lengthy nightmare.

*turns and bows to Lord Vehk*

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306886 - 03/03/04 09:53 AM

Hail, Mannimarco. I would have spoken to you before, but I still bear a grudge against you for living so far underground.

I am charged here with doing my best to damn Vivec. He has named me Mercy (active and clawed like a nix-hound). Mercy is an end, not an eternity. Indeed, I cannot say why it should please him to come here, but I have sworn to do my best against him.

All of the witnesses I can think of are dead. This may not be as much of a hindrance to you as to the rest of us. Did you have something in mind?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2306892 - 03/03/04 09:54 AM

Master Stri’Ker:
Please, by all means, if you are to be in the High Rock Province of your own accord, any information on the Wolf-Deer beast would be of enormous value. If you require lodgings while in the eastern reaches of the province, seek out a Lady Dilenus in Camlorn - I spent my early years near Camlorn and Moonguard, and keep touch with many still there (who are likewise ignorant of the beast, though this may merely mean it is hidden well in that area). The Lady is very fond of the Khajiiti people.

If the creature is some form of servant or incarnation of Hircine then it may stick to snowy climes, in light of his most recent alleged preference of location. I would recommend beginning your search in the areas of Shornhelm and moving west toward Evermore and then Jehenna and Skyrim Province. Take care - lycanthropes are not unheard of in the northern areas of High Rock…

Priest Aironyl:
Have you any information as to the history of the creature?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306897 - 03/03/04 09:56 AM

Great Lord Mannimarco:
I am endlessly pleased that you have made another appearance, albeit in non-corporeal form. I am a great admirer of your Works, as are many of my closest compatriots. Still, must we resurrect the many debates that have raged throughout the years regarding Vivec’s crimes and expound upon them, point by point? Perhaps. I assure you that more solid arguments from both sides are currently being substantiated, though I know you are not wrong in beholding this proceeding as a bit of a circus of sound and fury thus far. Your patience will be rewarded with a spectacle worth the beholding, I hope.

--Louis D'Onus

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2306972 - 03/03/04 10:23 AM

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Witnesses?





How about these potential witnesses

Alandro Sul - potential witness to the crimes
Azura - potential witness to the motives of the crimes
Maphala - character witness to her sons behavior
Molag Bal - hostile character witness, considered to be the evil King of Rape and was married to Vehk
Nerevar's spirit - witness to the crime of murder upon himself
Ayam spirit - Accessory
Seht spirit - Accessory
Dagoth Ur spirit - potential witness
Mehra Milo - A simple Librarian whom is victim of crimes by Tribunal Temple - Unjustly kidnapped by the Ministry of Truth for having knowledge about the 'The Progress of Truth', the 'Lost Prophecies', and 'The Seven Curses.'
Members of Tribunal Temple- witness to orders handed down by the three
Members of Dissident Priests- victims of supression
Ashlanders - victims of supression
Septim - witness to whats in the Treaty of the Armistice
Underking - potentially another witness to whats in the Treaty of the Armistice - may clarify the point below
From The Arcturian Heresy - "When certain conditions of the Armistice include not only a policy of noninterference with the Tribunal, but also, in the Underking's eyes, a validation of their religious beliefs , Ysmir is furious. He abandons the Empire completely. This was the betrayal the Greybeards spoke of. Or so he thinks."

Can't think of many other witnesses right now. Will return later if I see some other witness that should be mentioned.

Edit: Opps missed one

SHEOGORATH - Emporer of Madness, it is his place to know if Vivec the God, Mortal or Remnant are Mad or have been.


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Hitto]
      #2306973 - 03/03/04 10:24 AM

Lord Lugagius:
I have not seen your face nor heard your voice at these proceedings before now. We thank you for your zeal, but might you provide some references for the Council from Vvardenfell and the island of Solstheim, or Fort Frostmoth? As I’m sure you know, the East Empire Company there was plagued with a rash of deaths recently, and I want to ensure that we neither send you into a death trap without knowing your abilities or put false faith in your intentions. I believe the Council would prefer to avoid the chance that we might be sending a Dark Brotherhood assassin on the trail of an artifact of tremendous power…

Lord Hitto/Mordechai:
Take up any information on your search w/ TSBasilisk – he is leading the effort into the whereabouts of the Wraithmail. It is unlikely that any adventurer would have hold of it. Alandro-Sul, Son of Azura was purported to be immortal, and the only records I have found of his Wraithmail thus far are from the Nordic volume The Five Songs of King Wulfharth, wherein Alandro-Sul purportedly wears it to the Battle of Red Mountain at Nerevar and Dumac’s side, and is blinded while slaying Wulfarth himself. The Five Songs is generally regarded as a… fringe narrative of the Battle of Red Mountain, so we have little to go on. I have not seen Lord Basilisk in attendance in the newly opened hall, though I am sure he will be about shortly.

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To the Council:
My apologies for holding the floor for such a length of time, I now take my leave for the moment. I will, at a later date, begin drafting a document enumerating the touched upon accusations and defenses, in bulleted form, with questions needing resolution from each and previous arguments for and against. In the meantime, let the questions and enumeration of witnesses contniue unharried. If you’ll excuse me I have much work to do.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2307010 - 03/03/04 10:36 AM

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Lord Lugagius:
I have not seen your face nor heard your voice at these proceedings before now. We thank you for your zeal, but might you provide some references for the Council from Vvardenfell and the island of Solstheim, or Fort Frostmoth? As I’m sure you know, the East Empire Company there was plagued with a rash of deaths recently, and I want to ensure that we neither send you into a death trap without knowing your abilities or put false faith in your intentions. I believe the Council would prefer to avoid the chance that we might be sending a Dark Brotherhood assassin on the trail of an artifact of tremendous power…




I am no lord, simply a researcher of the mundane. Since I have only recently come to Vvardenfell, I have no record of my stay here (this trial is the main reason for my being here, and why I left solstheim with my studies incomplete.) As for references, the new Governor, Uror Arctus, issued me this travel permit (migration to the colony is strictly controlled). In my friendship with the Skaal, they presented me with this nordic silver sword and stahlrim dagger after completing a right of friendship with them.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2307025 - 03/03/04 10:40 AM

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Ah, alas, I need not ask the one standing trial. I understand all too clearly why he has allowed such audience. In time, I foresee you WILL learn the truth. I dare say, that it is not Lord Vehk who stands on trial. What punishment could you mere mortals hand down on Lord Vehk had you found him guilty of crime? *laugh*



Again, Mannimarco, I thank you for your attempt to edify this court.

However, as esteemed Allerleirauh has clearly explained, we the Tribunal of this trial are appointed by Vehk under his direction to damn him as we may.

If, in trying Vehk, we may be guilty of a crime ourselves as you suppose, then it is only by Vehk's express command.


Ergo, it is Vehk's crime and we shall add it to the list.


Good day to you.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2307030 - 03/03/04 10:41 AM

I return sooner than expected...

Master Lugagius:
High credentials indeed. I have heard of few who have impressed the native Nords of Solstheim. By all means, make way to Solstheim and begin your search for Azura's Star. We have 3 weeks, time enough to take extra care in your travels in such a dangerous place. I would suggest beginning with your fellow Imperials at Fort Frostmoth and continuing northward from there. Good journey.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2307050 - 03/03/04 10:45 AM

Thank you. I shall depart by nightfall.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2307172 - 03/03/04 11:26 AM

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Your patience will be rewarded with a spectacle worth the beholding, I hope.

--Louis D'Onus




Indeed, it will. Most assurdly, I await the payoff. Mark my words, the reward will be one long awaited, for reasons you have not begun to realise. I certainly have my reasons for attending this "spectacle". Oh, how I *DO* show great gratitude for this fine council in handling Lord Vehk's bidding. *grin*

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Sweet King [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2307175 - 03/03/04 11:27 AM

Mannimarco, my gentle, please mind your maggot-tongue. I remind you that the last time you antagonized a Tribunal, it resulted in more restless dead than even the sea would accept. Know that the structure of this trial is unconventional to the eyes of the West and yet still older in tradition than both our divinities, newly acquired or relinquised. I am glad thou art here, and though I suspect it bodes ill I yet beg thee to stay, but finally in the manner of the lord-as-guest. Pray let not that illness spread the more by the inquities of an unmannered mouth.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2307223 - 03/03/04 11:48 AM

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However, as esteemed Allerleirauh has clearly explained, we the Tribunal of this trial are appointed by Vehk under his direction to damn him as we may.




Oh yes yes yes, indeed you are. Lord Vehk would only appoint the most highly regarded to judge him "justly". I have no doubt in my mind that the "Tribunal's" task at hand will be a necessity for the future of a great many of us.

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If, in trying Vehk, we may be guilty of a crime ourselves as you suppose, then it is only by Vehk's express command.




I suppose? On the contrary! Your duty of trying Lord Vehk for crimes is quite pleasing. I am "quite" sure that this Gathering will finally bring resolve to many troubled minds.

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Ergo, it is Vehk's crime and we shall add it to the list.




I would expect no less from such a fine collective of Prosecuters.


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Good day to you.




Soon enough. *grin*

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2307243 - 03/03/04 11:56 AM

You obviously want to say something! Spit it out or spare me the time.

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Re: Sweet King [Re: Vehk]
      #2307248 - 03/03/04 11:57 AM

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Mannimarco, my gentle, please mind your maggot-tongue.




*bowing and backing away*

As you wish Lord Vehk. I fare thee well. May the Tribunal judge you with kindness and understanding. My services and council shall remain available should they come in need. I await the Tribunal's decision, in due time.





*grin*

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Re: Sweet King [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2307310 - 03/03/04 12:23 PM

It occurs to me that Mannimarco may simply be contemplating with joy the advent of such a powerful corpse. In which case, I say, whatever his fate, we do not intend to let YOU have him.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2307372 - 03/03/04 12:40 PM

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..........................

Know this mortals....

You stir the very coals that keep the Millenia Dragon in slumber. Your meddling may be just the action the Dragon wants to awaken from it's lengthy nightmare.


*grin*




Som'body say Dragon ? .................. *grin*

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: B]
      #2307525 - 03/03/04 01:26 PM

Before I leave on my High Rock travels, the comments made by B have piqued my interest and I have put some thought into the sermons. Perhaps I am on the completely wrong path, but the first three sermons start taking on a different meaning if you think of the 'netchiman's wife' as the Heart of Lorkhan.

"Then Ayem threw the netchiman's wife into the ocean water" - this was done to the Heart, by Auriel and not Ayem.

There is also:
"She heard one say, 'Go and make a simulacrum of her and place it back on the surface, for she has something akin to what we have and so the Velothi will covet it and notice if she is too long away.' " - Create a Numidium to hold the Heart?

"In the darkness, the netchiman's wife felt great knives try to cut her open. When the knives did not work, the Dwemer used solid sounds. When those did not work, great heat was brought to bear. Nothing was of any use, and the egg of Vivec remained safe within her." - Their tests on the Heart to try an harness it's power and become Gods.

Of course, I may just be going insane from the visit of Sheogorath!

And, related to the dual universe:
"They could ghost touch and probed inside the egg to find its core. Some say Vivec at this point was shaped like a star with its penumbra broken off; others, that it looked like a revival of vanished forms." - Two separate points of view for the same event... when has this happened before?

Like I said, it may be wrong-headed of me to think that way, however, I couldn't keep the theory to myself, just incase there is a grain of truth to it.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2307773 - 03/03/04 03:24 PM

I must truly apologize for my absence. Circumstances and inefficient means of communication prevented my continuing to inform you.

Indeed, I have researched the subject, and find little reference not only to the Wraithmail, but also to Alandro Sul himself. He last resided among the Ashlanders, so it is there the search should begin, unless Hitto truly can reveal how he came into possession of such an artifact.

Upon consideration, I believe I will first travel to meet with the Urshilaku tribe. They were the strongest supporters of the Nerevarine cult before the Nerevarine emerged, and were also closest to the Cavern of the Incarnate. What is more, the ashkhan of the tribe is name Sul-Matuul. This may be a simple coincidence, by perhaps not.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2307846 - 03/03/04 04:01 PM

Feh. Young know-it-all could have been right. Se zol dir grihmen in boych!
The whole night had been spent looking for this fabled thing, and Mordechai was unsuccessful. There were things that hindered his progress.
Some writings at first, and some books later on. Ashlanders were the key. Immortal or no, that's where Alandro Sul retired when he was blinded. Everyone knows that. Now, which tribe did he spend his days in, Mordechai did not know. What to ask of them, he knew even less.

He was too old to raid tombs again, and by god, if that thing used to be in one, then he had certainly gotten it!
Enough patteren tseit! Orders to be given, collections to be rummaged through...

Was it already morning? Aye, it was.


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2307902 - 03/03/04 04:46 PM

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Like I said, it may be wrong-headed of me to think that way, however, I couldn't keep the theory to myself, just incase there is a grain of truth to it.




Oh no my good Khajiit, a masterful deduction. Vehk's imperfection has yet again brought about great new advances into knowledge of the divine. I do believe our good Vehk is perhaps submitting himself to mortal hands finally, though who can really tell?

As for our delightful "God of Worms", I knew he would intervene. I am leery enough bringing Daedra into this, but this presence... I dare say he has more reasons to be here than mere amusement. We shall see I suppose.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2308160 - 03/03/04 08:08 PM

Master Stri'ker,

I thank you for your thoughts. You are correct when you say that the Sermons take on a different meaning if you think of the 'netchiman's wife' as the Heart of Lorkhan. If we take that one step further, then are we to believe that unborn Vehk was nurtured within the Heart itself? Or simply just nurtured by the Heart? But *we* were told that Vehk comes in contact with the Heart much later in his life. Quite an interesting topic.

Also, your mentioned quote of "Some say Vivec at this point was shaped like a star with its penumbra broken off; others, that it looked like a revival of vanished forms" conjures images of Mnemoli in my mind. Perhaps the two are related in some way.

Forgive me. I do not seek to detain you any longer. Good luck on your quest. I know that you will be successful.

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Re: Dreams of Universes Old and New [Re: B]
      #2308199 - 03/03/04 08:35 PM

If you will allow me to indulge myself once again, I have found some other references to Vehk’s claims of Old and New Universes. From Sermon Two:

    'From my side of the family,' the first cousin said, 'I bring you a series of calamities that will bring about the end of the universe.'

    'And from my side,' the second cousin said, 'I bring you all the primordial marriages that must happen within them, each one.'

    At this the egg laughed. 'I am given too much to bear so young. I must have been born before.'

    And then the sixth spirit appeared, the Black Hands Mephala, who taught the Velothi at the beginning of days all the arts of sex and murder. Its burning heart melted the eyes of the netchiman's wife and took the egg from her belly with six cutting strokes. The egg-image, however, could see into what it had been before in ancient times, when the earth still cooled, and was not blinded.

    It joined with the Daedroth and took its former secrets, leaving a few behind to keep the web of the world from disentangling. Then the Black Hands Mephala put the egg back into the netchiman's wife and blew on her with magic breath until the hole closed up. But the Daedroth did not give her back her eyes, saying:

    'God hath three keys; of birth, of machines, and of the words between.'

    Within this Sermon the wise may find one half of these keys.


According to the Sermon, Vehk is visited by several spirits. The fourth and fifth were cousins.

    'From my side of the family,' the first cousin said, 'I bring you a series of calamities that will bring about the end of the universe.'
Here Vehk is given the knowledge to bring about the end of the universe or "a" universe.


    'And from my side,' the second cousin said, 'I bring you all the primordial marriages that must happen within them, each one.'
The aforementioned quote implies more than one universe.


    At this the egg laughed. 'I am given too much to bear so young. I must have been born before.'

    And then the sixth spirit appeared, the Black Hands Mephala, who taught the Velothi at the beginning of days all the arts of sex and murder. Its burning heart melted the eyes of the netchiman's wife and took the egg from her belly with six cutting strokes. The egg-image, however, could see into what it had been before in ancient times, when the earth still cooled, and was not blinded.
Here is the claim or the realization that Vehk had been "born" before—in another Time-Place. In addition, Vehk was able to see what occurred in ancient times or in the alternate universe.


    'God hath three keys; of birth, of machines, and of the words between.'

    Within this Sermon the wise may find one half of these keys.
To this day, I still search this Sermon for "one half of these keys."

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Re: Dreams of Universes Old and New [Re: B]
      #2308215 - 03/03/04 08:47 PM

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To this day, I still search this Sermon for "one half of these keys."



Faithful B, many a long day and night have I too pondered this Sermon and searched for the promised half keys. Alas, I still do not possess them.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: B]
      #2308351 - 03/03/04 09:43 PM

Master B, if I may quote:

Quote:

You are correct when you say that the Sermons take on a different meaning if you think of the 'netchiman's wife' as the Heart of Lorkhan. If we take that one step further, then are we to believe that unborn Vehk was nurtured within the Heart itself? Or simply just nurtured by the Heart? But *we* were told that Vehk comes in contact with the Heart much later in his life.



Not necessarily.

In light of Vivec's recent comments from the Trial it becomes a much more profound metaphor. He stated that he was in fact birthed from the wishes of the mortal Vehk at the time of contact with the Heart. Vivec the god was a part of the heart before that, then - a fulfillment waiting to be wished for, existing within (Heart as Womb - how long did the mortal Vehk's wish incubate there within the Heart, I wonder?). He would have us believe that he himself, as a god, was born into the world at the moment the mortal known as Vehk accessed the Heart with Kagrenac's Tools, whereupon the mortal Vehk (and his entire iteration of the universe) ceased to exist, replaced by the newly birthed universe in which Vivec the God existed - which fits nicely with the idea of the netchiman's wife as the Heart of Lorkhan.

This idea that Vehk the God and Vehk the mortal general (who fought alongside and then murdered Nerevar) are seperate people is at the very heart of this Trial - guilt or innocence for the crimes of murder and oath-breaking in the Battle of Red Mountain rest on the truth of this very point, for if what Vehk says can be substantiated as true - that he is indeed a seperate being from the mortal Vehk, and in essence no less than a mortal's wish fulfilled - then he cannot be held to Nerevar's murder or the profane use of the Heart of Lorkhan.

Would you put a work of fiction to Trial for its author's actions? Or vice versa? If Vivec the god is a fiction from another mer's hopes and dreams, as he claims to be (certainly an incredibly powerful, living fiction, but a fiction nonetheless) then the prosecution for those ancient crimes cannot hold. We cannot convict him for being the fulfillment of a long-gone mortal’s dreams.

The crimes against the Velothi peoples thereafter are another matter entirely, however; though I think Lady Allerleirauh might be better suited to address those points.

Now, if we only could speak to the lost Vehk from this alleged lost universe, THEN we would have something, wouldn't we? If what we have been told is in fact true, then perhaps Azura might allow us such a revealing peek come the date of summoning (though I wouldn't get my hopes up).

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Re: Dreams of Universes Old and New [Re: B]
      #2308357 - 03/03/04 09:47 PM

Quote:


'God hath three keys; of birth, of machines, and of the words between.'

Within this Sermon the wise may find one half of these keys.




this is a shot in the dark but...

I've always thought this is a riddle to do with the Guardians charges. I've only fumbled as to try and place it with the charges though. I know that 3 is being a sacred number to Vehk because he considers himself the Guardian Thief.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2309232 - 03/04/04 02:25 AM

Quote:

We cannot convict him for being the fulfillment of a long-gone mortal's dreams.




Can't we? That point is by no means clear.

In any case, if Vehk the god contains no element of the will of Vehk the mortal (and with this I do not agree) it can be argued that he has no right to exist at all. It is one thing for an author to make pretty stories; quite another to force all of us to live in them.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2309459 - 03/04/04 03:33 AM

At the request of Louis D'Onus, I give you the little information I have on the elusive beast mentioned...

King Dead Wolf-Deer is one of the surviving monster-mer of the Wild Hunt that slew Borgas of Skyrim. He is thus one of the oldest creatures in Tamriel, and therefore no trifle. That he exists still to haunt High Rock thousands of years later speaks to the danger of retrieving his antler-crown.

Good luck.

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Re: Dreams of Universes Old and New [Re: B]
      #2309892 - 03/04/04 05:33 AM

I disagree. The Sermon refers to "Solid sounds". That, I believe, is the metaphor for the tones that the Dwarves extracted from the Heart.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2310027 - 03/04/04 06:02 AM

Quote:

It is one thing for an author to make pretty stories; quite another to force all of us to live in them.




Very true, and I have been arguing on the side of the Tribunal all this time, but I see a new truth. If the true Vehk of mortal blood is indeed dead, then we can not punish his creation for his actions. Yet we do not know if Vehk is truly "dead" or not.

Quote:

That he exists still to haunt High Rock thousands of years later speaks to the danger of retrieving his antler-crown.




Little less danger than removing the crown of Hircine. I do not envy you Stri'Ker.

This trial would go along so much more smoothly with the presence of an Aedra... no matter, the chances of that are beyond slim.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2310748 - 03/04/04 09:38 AM

Truly a fearsome foe that you ride out to meet Stri'Ker - i advise that you arm yourself with powerful enchantments and mythic weapons when you enter combat with such a beast.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: phil_t]
      #2311415 - 03/04/04 12:13 PM

Dear fellow scholars,

My travels have been going well, thanks to the teleporters found in the many Mages' Guilds throughout Tamriel. I find myself in the Eastern Hammerfell town of Elinhir, waiting for my turn to visit the very busy teleport assistant, who will send me to my next destination. Master B has kept me appraised of the current occurences in Vehk's Trial, making special note of the information passed on by Ainoryl about the King Dead Wolf-Deer. I'm beginning to think that this endeavour wasn't such a good idea after all - either that, or I should have packed some more healing potions!

So far, no-one has heard about the Wolf-Deer, or they are too scared to talk about it. Perhaps when I get closer to High Rock, information will be easier to find. With any luck, I'll be able to get the antlers without killing the beast, although how I'll do this, I do not know. If worse comes to worse, I can always try to rouse a few Nords to help avenge the death of their beloved King Borgas.

If you do not hear from me again, it has been an honour to know each and everyone of you. As for now, into the mouth of Oblivion I must go, and if all goes well, I will see you all again before the 21st of First Seed has begun.

Until then,
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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2311673 - 03/04/04 01:48 PM

Stri'Ker,

I am currently residing in Wayrest on a temporary basis, awaiting word from my patron regarding a task of "utmost importance". However, it seems that I may be free for some days, not more than a week. Should you need any assistance, you may seek me out. I have access to the Wayrest Royal Library and have been known to wield a vicious sword, although that has, admittedly, been sometime ago. Unfortunately, I have little knowledge about the beast you seek. However, I am willing to aid a fellow scholar if I can.

I am currently lodging at the Broken Eagle on Wayrest Boulevard just before you reach Cumberland Square. I will be here, or nearby, should you need assistance.

Regards,

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2312011 - 03/04/04 03:55 PM

To the residents of Hogitum Hall,

I have been searching through the lore of the various members of the Urshilaku Ashlanders. They wander widely, so it is hard to track down the appropriate members. I have, however, come upon a helpful soul, who believes he may have some knowledge concerning the Wraithmail. I have hopes in this person, who goes by the name of Solin.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2312040 - 03/04/04 04:12 PM

Harold Trontskii,

I do hope you know what you are getting yourself into. There are some rather unpleasant Ashlanders still about (I would consider the entire people unpleasant, but that's a rather biased view I'll admit), even after the Nerevarine incident. I trust your judgement with the Solin fellow, just be wary, the fact an Ashlander is helping you raid one of their most beloved's tomb should put you on your guard. I hope you return safely.

Anxiously,
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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2312134 - 03/04/04 04:57 PM

"I think I see it Mafafu, quick, you take the left and I'll take the right..."

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2312159 - 03/04/04 05:09 PM

To the esteemed Council and Tribunal of the Hogithum Hall,

I stood at the opening of this trial as the first stones were cast. I left shortly there after to continue my studies on the Dwemer Glyphs and have since tried to keep up with the progress of this event as much as possible. Little did I expect to find Master Trontskii, someone who I have worked with in the past, in the Ashlands serving the members of judging Tribunal. After discussing the matter a few ideas on the Wraith Mail came to mind.

Is it in fact a true mail as in chain or ring mail? The only source I know of that speaks of Alandro Sul's armor is The Five Songs of King Wulfharth. I confess my knowledge of Dunmer and Chimer armor is not the best (I am more comfortable with Imperial style armor despite being Dunmer) but, I have not seen mail in excess on any eastern designs I have come across. Could the Wraith Mail be something more akin to bonemold? With perhaps some chain and actual bone used in its creation perhaps a suit of bonemold armor could be more properly described as "Wraith Mail."

Did the Wraith Mail have any enchantments? The Five Songs of King Wulfharth claim that Wulfharth could not strike Sul. Is this a property of the armor or was Sul just agile?

If Sul died or perhaps grew tired of his warrior life style does he yet have his armor? It is possible his decendants may have it but, could it have changed owners in one of the raids the ashlanders tribes make on one another? If it did it might still be in use today. If not a search of any tomb or burial site with relation to Sul might be necessary, which is sure to cause some unpleasantness.

I believe I might be able to locate such a strangely unique suit of bonemold, enchanted with a protective spell, and that still in use today among the Ashlanders. I feel as though I should put these questions and speculations before the Council and Tribunal for conformation before I begin this search. If it is not so, then perhaps Alandro Sul himself or maybe Vehk could describe the suit in detail.

Solyn Kaerethi, Dunmeri Student and Observer


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2312169 - 03/04/04 05:13 PM

Quote:

"I think I see it Mafafu, quick, you take the left and I'll take the right..."




I grow concerned... Are our esteemed Striker and Mafafu in some sort of trouble?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: tegger]
      #2312192 - 03/04/04 05:29 PM

I have received no word from Mafafu. I did not know that he and Stri'Ker had set out to search for the beast.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Solin]
      #2312203 - 03/04/04 05:40 PM

Dear Solyn,

Your assistance to those seeking the Wraithmail is greatly appreciated, but to my knowledge, your assumption that the Wraithmail is solely bonemould may be misleading. If you will take for example the armor of the late Almalexia's personal guard, and the other various High Ordinators of Mournhold. I assure you, while perhaps a rarity, chain has been used in the east in a variety of ways. While I may be incorrect, do not rule out the probability of the armor being comprised of chain or rings.

Also,

I worry for our brave friends, Mafafu and Stri'ker, who hunt the antlers of the beast. May we all hope for their safe return.



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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Solin]
      #2312217 - 03/04/04 05:48 PM

Master Solyn Kaerethi,

The Five Songs of King Wulfharth records three powerful artifacts. One of them is the Wraith Mail, you know this.

Quote:

Nerevar carried Keening, a dagger made of the sound of the shadow of the moons. His champions were Dumac Dwarfking, who carried a hammer of divine mass, and Alandro Sul, who was the immortal son of Azura and wore the Wraith Mail.




What I can learn from the records of Nerevarine’s deeds, there are three major artifacts played in the destruction of Dagoth Ur: Keening, Sunder and Wraithguard. If my assumption is right, Nerevar carried the same Keening, and a hammer of divine mass of Dumac would be Sunder. And eventually this points us to Wraithguard. Is this artifact the same or at least part of the Wraith Mail of Alandro Sul? Sadly, I cannot study the Wraithguard as I cannot locate Nerevarine now. But from some reports, I managed to learn that this Wraithguard is dwemeri in origin like the rest of the three artifacts. The color of the surface is golden colored like most of the dwemeri creation but apparently time does not have an effect to the artifact. It is still clean of rust after these thousands years, while the rest of dwemeri creations are rusted and some are beyond repair. The records also say that some important people had owned this Wraithguard. One of them is Master Vehk. Perhaps Master Vehk can bring some light in Master Solyn quest. One strange record says that Yagurm Bagarn the last living dwarf had also touched this Wraithguard. If my assumption is right, that Wraithguard is part of Wraith Mail, he is the one that can bring some lights on your quest, Master Solyn Kaerethi. I hope my limited knowledge can help you.


Edited: Just realised that Solyn is not in the hall.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Xanathar]
      #2312243 - 03/04/04 06:08 PM

I too have thought on the relationship between the three artifacts mentioned in The Five Songs of King Wulfharth, and the "Wraith Mail." It seems entirely likely that this is in fact referring to the "Wraithguard." Two things: The above book is known to contain several inconsistencies. Also, as I am certain Solyn can verify, the Wraithmail specific to Alando-Sul has merit. Perhaps "Wraithguard" was part of this wraithmail, is unrelated, or simply is the wraithmail. I will gather more information on the subject.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Striker]
      #2312456 - 03/04/04 08:29 PM

Turdas, 4th of First Seed

Dear Stri'ker,

I hope this letter finds you well. At the moment, things are relatively calm here at the Hall. I know it bothers you when I do it, but lurking in the corner of the room with an Invisibility spell cast does have its uses. I know...I know...but I usually reappear when I have something to say (If I didn't, could you imagine people's faces if a voice came out of thin air). As promised, I do try to stop in each day so I can keep up with the proceedings. If anything of interest comes up, I'll be sure and let you know.

Please do not hesitate in using the enchanted items that I gave to you. I know how you feel sometimes about Magicka, but I assure you, some of my creations do have value. At the very least, I hope you are using the Amulet of Detect Creature that I gave to you. Trust me! It's nothing like the Orb of Uryes.

Good luck in your quest,

~B

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: B]
      #2313090 - 03/05/04 01:37 AM

Fellow Scholars,

I have hastily written this letter in hopes that it reaches you soon, for it bears both good and terrible news. But let me start from the beginning.

A sudden knock on my door in the middle of the night awoke me from my slumber. Seeing that it was Stri'Ker, I let him in and discovered that he had found the hiding place of the King Dead Wolf-Deer and asked for my assistance in retrieving the antlers. I readily agreed, even though it would be dangerous and without much hesitation, we were on our way.

A little while later, we were in a wooded area at the base of the Wrothgarian Mountains. The trampled area was an ominous sign of what lurked nearby. And that was when we saw it. I cannot describe it to you, nor can I forget what it looked like, but we both knew that it was the King Dead Wolf-Deer! Our plan was simple: we would attack it from both sides and hopefully bring it down by surprise. Alas, just before we were in position, the Wolf-Deer spotted me lurking in the bushes and turned. (I'm afraid I'm quite not as stealthy as my Khajiiti friend)

What happened next was almost a blur. The large antlers on it's head pointed in my direction and the large beast charged. Before I knew what was happening, the creature was almost upon me. And that was when Stri'Ker, who I had then forgotten about, lept across and sent me sprawling out of the way. Alas, he wasn't quite so lucky, and the Wolf-Deer's antlers crashed into the Khajiit's body and then into a tree! Then, with his life ebbing away, Stri'Ker stabbed the creature's head with his Ebony dagger. This caused the animal to writhe in agony and I seized the opportunity to hack the creature with my sword. The already wounded creature was unable to defend against my onslaught and was eventually killed by my hand.

I went over to Stri'Ker's limp and broken form on the ground and his last words still echo in my mind: "Take the... antlers back. Do not... let my death... be in vain..." and he was no more.

I tried every restoration spell I knew, but he was too badly wounded for my meager skills to prevent his death.

So I bring with me the antlers and these sad tidings,

mafafu

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2313130 - 03/05/04 01:54 AM

Ah Mafafu, these are deeply sorrowful tidings indeed. What a price has been payed for these horns; so great a price that all we who knew fair Stri'Ker shall feel their bitter bite evermore.

We shall miss you, friend Stri'Ker.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2313182 - 03/05/04 02:20 AM

Vivec. Because of you, one who was a gifted scholar and a noble friend is dead. Add this to this list of your crimes.

We cannot decently continue this trial until we have given the dead the proper ceremonies. Until the body of our fallen friend is returned to us, these proceedings are suspended.

Hail, Stri'Ker! Let all who gather here speak his praises.



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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2313242 - 03/05/04 02:50 AM

Yes, Hail!

Had it not been for his quick and selfless act, it would have been me lying dead by the beast, or perhaps both of us. I am most grateful and most sorrowful. Stri'ker, may your name be long raised in song and remembered well, as a hero and a friend.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2313289 - 03/05/04 03:05 AM

The air in this hall seems to have grown heavy with the weight of this loss. Perhaps the gravity of this trial is being wholly realised now, for the first time since its commencement. I cannot properly express the grief I feel in Stri'Kers' passing, or the guilt I acknowledge. But grief and guilt may fill this hall, and not without cause. Perhaps now, with the loss of our brave and honorable friend, we re-evaluate the consequences of an event such as this. What costs can there be, in a trial of the gods?

The respect and awe I have for Stri'Ker and Mafafu, individuals willing to give their life in the persuit of knowledge and (perhaps) justice, is vast. But I must warn you all of the days to come. Know what it is that you meddle in, this gods' game. The blood on our hands, is not the last this hall will see. Are all of you willing to pay the price for truth?

May our friend Stri'Ker be forever remembered as a soul with such dedication and bravery, that he would give himself utterly for that which he held most dear. Can there possibly be a greater display of honor?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2313313 - 03/05/04 03:15 AM

Truely this is a great loss. While I am deeply saddened upon his most honorable death. I must insist that others be more cautious in the future and perhaps grouping for the most dangerous of these missions is in order.

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No [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2313447 - 03/05/04 03:51 AM

I...cannot express my grief. Nor can I sing great praise until those...those wicked grey wings have flown more south. Blessed are you, brave khajiit, blessed even as now damned. For cruel mercy is right, I *did* damn you. I cannot express...I now fold myself into the nil, to know a bit of where you are, and if I were to give myself new eyes, for I could give myself new eyes, I would still be blind with tears. Grief is my stillborn sibling. I cannot abide it. I will return with great song.


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2313856 - 03/05/04 05:34 AM

Quote:

Vivec. Because of you, one who was a gifted scholar and a noble friend is dead. Add this to this list of your crimes.




Ah yes, add another crime to Lord Vehk's countless wrong doings. Why, was it not Lord Vehk who sent this warrior cat out to do the Tribunal's bidding afterall? I do hope this Tribunal finds apt time after judgement to be tried for their own guiltless mistakes. Perhaps then the Tribunal can accept the guilt in sending a beast off to his death, committed to a task they had dealt him with. It is far too easy to blame another when you have not ownership of your own guilty conscience.

And perhaps in death, this Sti'Ker will realise what a stubborn tool he was to accept this Tribunal's quest. I shall let him know that this Tribunal can not admit their guilt to his death, but instead, would pass it on to Lord Vehk. For then, the true aura of this Tribunal, his "friends", shall be known to him, for him to ponder for his eternity in death.

I shall give leave now, and allow this Tribunal to continue to manufacture more crimes for Lord Vehk. I shall carry with me your message of Sorrow and Love for your thick coated pet and companion.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2313942 - 03/05/04 05:56 AM

Mannimarco, your vile stench contaminates our hall, and your vile mouth our names. Slander me if you will, but do not slander my friends.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2314022 - 03/05/04 06:14 AM

My heart is heavy with the burden of knowledge that it was I who prompted brave Stri’Ker to head off in search of the Beast, in my zeal for the collection of these items – the weight of blame is not with Vehk; but our brave Khajiiti brother was aware of the grave danger of his task, and of the idea that he may not return. Let us hold a feast in his honor, and call to memory the many great services as a scholar of the Elder Scrolls that he brought unto us. And let us honor his memory in seeing that justice is done here for the greater good of all the people of Morrowind.

I leave you now so that I may atone in my own way.

Fortune speed you back to Morrowind, Mafafu.

Hail, Stri’Ker!

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Re: No [Re: Vehk]
      #2314133 - 03/05/04 06:36 AM

"O heavy deed!
It had been so with us, had we been there.
His liberty is full of threats to all-
To you yourself, to us, to every one.
Alas, how shall this bloody deed be answer'd?
It will be laid to us, whose providence
Should have kept short, restrain'd, and out of haunt" - Claudius

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Re: No [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2314293 - 03/05/04 07:24 AM

"Residents of Hogithum hall,

I give condolences for the lose of the noble Khajiit Stri'Ker. I wish I had more elegant words to express, but I nearly suffered the same fate as our comrade. I reached Solstheim five days after setting forth, as I had trouble persuading boats I had permission. In the end, I had to take a smuggler's ship and turn it in to the authorities. It turns out the Neveravine had left the fort, heading north, three days earlier. I headed for Thirsk, intedning to arrive before sunset, but Azura pounced on me. Stupidly, I had ignored the sataet of the moon and when I saw a young man in the forest I thought nothing of it. He charged at me, and not seeing any weapon, I stood my ground. The moon rose, and I was so shocked at the werewolf I didn't strike. He knocked at my sword, sending it flying, and savaged me. Thankfully, the nords had used silver as the hilt of my dagger, so I held him off long enough to reach my sword, and I slew him. I was badly hurt, but the Thirsk Armorer found me and helped me there. I should be able to continue my search in the morning, after the healer has seen me.

Yours,
-Lugagius, Imperial Scholar"

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Re: No [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2314628 - 03/05/04 08:49 AM

I am humbled by the loss of one of our own

Sometimes one must be glad to be stuck at home writing a simple report instead of travelling to meet adventure and danger.

Phil

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Nazz
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Re: No [Re: phil_t]
      #2314706 - 03/05/04 09:16 AM

A sad day indeed. I now regret not asking Stri'ker if he could use my assistance in taming such a beast, no doubt my Spear who's mercy is bitter would have aided us well against such a beast. Instead I chose to bury my head deeper and deeper into my studies.

You will be missed good friend.

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A dirt-stained letter [Re: Nazz]
      #2314771 - 03/05/04 09:32 AM

To the reisdents of Hogithum Hall,

I have not received many of your correspondence recently, but I have read enough. May Stri'ker find that which follows his time upon this Plane pleasant. I do not know the customs of the Khajiti, save that they are buried in cairns, but I said a small prayer to the Divines for him.

My adventures recently led me to the Urshilaku burial caverns. An elder mer of the Urshilaku related an old story concerning the ancestor of Sul-Matuul, who may have been Alandro Sul. It seems that the ancestor departed from the Urshilaku at some time to parts unknown, but left his armor, warspear, and shield to the mer who was believed to be his son.

The lad was a great warrior for his time, but eventually died during a pointless squabble with a mabrigash. He was entombed deep in the burial caverns, with the his father's spear, shield, and armor. At some time, he had apparently had a daughter, who continued the line.

After several hours of searching, I discovered a portion of ruins where Sul-Senipul, father of Sul-Matuul, had been buried. Casting a spell of Detect Enchantment, I realized a powerful object laid buried nearby. With the help of Solin, who had assisted in the search, we found the tomb of the ancestor, hidden beneath a stone floor. The body was naught but ash and bones, but the armor remained intact. The armor appears to be of some form of Dwemer construction. Perhaps it was indeed related to Wraithguard. Perhaps it was the experimental stage before Kagrenac developed the gauntlet.

It took some time, but I managed to remove a single ring of the armor. They are not true rings, but are rather S-shaped. The shield and spear, both untouched by time, I left alone, and I did my best to disturb the body as little as possible. I am now making preparations to return. I only hope that Sul-Matuul will not realize I have desecrated the tomb of his ancestor, though he himself had the Nerevarine steal Sul-Senipul's bow.

Harold Trontskii

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Re: No [Re: Nazz]
      #2314787 - 03/05/04 09:37 AM

* the librarian steps forward, he looks so broken, his eyes fill with tears *

This is very sad day to my life. Of my long life as Altmer, vampire and back again, I never cry as hard as this day when I heard the terrible news. I propose to the council to honor this day and dedicate this very day for Stri’Ker only. I cannot give a proper name for the day however.

I am sorry but burden of this grief is still very hard within me, I shall withdraw to my chamber now.

* the librarian turns and leaves the hall *

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My Turn to Speak [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2314846 - 03/05/04 09:52 AM

God of Worms, the stench of the oegnithr you carry upon your clothing sickens me. Have you no remorse? I certainly am no match for the likes of you, but I am in no mood to hear your speeches. Leave us mortals with our grief.

My brothers and sisters, this truly is a horrific day indeed. I have no one to blame but myself for Stri'Ker untimely death. Perhaps if I would have gone with them, it could have been prevented. I could have Paralyzed the beast before it had a chance to run Stri'Ker through. Or maybe my Restoration skills combined with those of Mafafu could have mended his grievous wounds.

But no! I sat here with my face buried in books, searching for evidence of Vehk's claims. My search has proven fruitless at best, which makes my decision not to accompany them that much worse. If blame is to be divvied out, then I deserve the lion's share.

Beloved Stri'Ker, you shall be missed. But alas, death is not the end. Your body was merely a shell; a shell that you inhabited for a brief but glorious moment. I am comforted in knowing that you will live on in the afterworld.

~B

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Re: No [Re: Xanathar]
      #2314876 - 03/05/04 10:00 AM

All these tidings have been heavy, I fear we did not realize what we were tampering with. I did not know Stri'Ker well, but he was a better mortal than I. I had indeed a part in his death, for it was only after my cowardice of desiring to stay that he decided he would go in my place.

Quote:

If no other option comes about, I will go, though I hope it will not be neccessary.




It perhaps would have been me that would have suffered this fate. Nonetheless, this is what we have entered into. This is the fate we have chosen, and rightfully so, for we are willing to sacrifice ourselves to grasp the truth for others. May our loss be Tamriel's gain.

In conclusion, I hail Stri'Ker, though he be in a more joyful state now than we are. May we press on with all the more determination now as we seek the answers that have been held back from the people of Tamriel for far too long. Let us hope it is in our power.

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Vehk
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DUSK AND DUSK [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2314939 - 03/05/04 10:14 AM

My sweet and leak'd sugar, I leave you to your Second Secret. Let the moons' two shadow's mora add one more note to their cadence.

Child of Azurah, mouser, to die in her name AE agnomen AI this day this dirge

DUSK AND DUSK



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Allerleirauh
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Re: DUSK AND DUSK [Re: Vehk]
      #2314958 - 03/05/04 10:19 AM

Vehk has spoken... let this day be dedicated, as Xanathar suggested, to Stri'Ker only.

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Re: DUSK AND DUSK [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2314985 - 03/05/04 10:30 AM

Dusk And Dusk it shall be known hereafter.

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Re: DUSK AND DUSK [Re: Nigedo]
      #2315038 - 03/05/04 10:42 AM

Though my mentor's death was as tragic as it was untimely, do not blame yourself. Stri'Ker went knowing full well the possible outcomes of the quest. But he cherished knowledge above all else, and he believed that there is no more noble pursuit than dying for the truth. We should not only mourn his passing, but remember him for what he was, and what he stood for.

The 4th of First Seed - Dusk and Dusk - A day dedicated to scholarly pursuits and truth - and Stri'Ker.

As for myself, I do not wish to replace Stri'Ker, however, I will try to continue his studies in his honour.

Attrebus,
Imperial Scholar,
Stri'Ker's Apprentice

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zingbat
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Re: No [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2315047 - 03/05/04 10:44 AM

Vhek could hardly be acused of sending Striker to death. He was allways aware of the risks. LOL this will be a looooooong session before vhek gets judged of anything. Its better if i buy some rooms and make resrvations for a couple of days in a local tavern. At least im not paying it all from my pocket. Some table dance khajit pussies would be nice, what dyou guys think ?

By the way, dint vhek said he was responsible for bringing back the Nerevarine or it was just my imagination ? Without a scribe to register the works of this Tribunal this will get into a mess very soon.

So vhek if you were a God and are no more and the link to the hearth was severed then the God is no more and who is this 3rd vhek ? Not that it maters anyway since there is no possible way to track the soul of the first vhek. Unless the ghost of the first vhek could be summoned here to answer some questions.

Hey Manimarco be a good guy, i mean God, and ressurrect Striker would you ? After all we cant just let Striker dye without earing a word from its own mouth and ghosts cant roleplay very well if you guys know what i mean.


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Vehk
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Second Stone [Re: zingbat]
      #2315061 - 03/05/04 10:48 AM

I warned you about letting loose your second stone.

Now I cast you out.

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Re: DUSK AND DUSK [Re: Attrebus]
      #2315097 - 03/05/04 10:54 AM

Greetings, Attrebus. I welcome you.

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zingbat
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Re: Second Stone [Re: Vehk]
      #2315133 - 03/05/04 11:02 AM

OK people I dont want to be accused of spoiling your fun but since i started this all stuff as a roleplaying thread it is to be expected that we followed some good roleplaying rules. As a good rule its not nice to take decisions on one side only and force others to go your way. The spirit of role-playing is that you work together. So I think that Striker should have had the last word on his dead and not taken on him without choice. So I ask of you that change that unfortunate part and carry on. As for vhek choice on the conditions of the Tribunal it was taken on his side only but i dont mind about it. Vhek is a cool guy. Thnaks Archie for sending me that message explaining the all thing.



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Edited by zingbat (03/05/04 12:05 PM)

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Girai_Harkaanius
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Re: Second Stone [Re: zingbat]
      #2315413 - 03/05/04 12:01 PM

Zingbat, I believe you desire to do good here and wish to see justice done, yet you do not consider things before you speak. Vehk, spare this fellow your hatred for he simply has much to learn. He requires our patience, not our wrath.

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zingbat
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Re: Second Stone [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2315450 - 03/05/04 12:06 PM

I changed the post already, now carry on.


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A slightly less stained letter [Re: Xanathar]
      #2315470 - 03/05/04 12:10 PM

Greetings to the Hall,

It is my hope that this letter will arrive on the heals of Master Trontskii's. It would seem that woe and misfortune do not part company when visiting the servants of this Tribunal. I would suggest that Mafafu seek out Cherim of Elsweyr (if he is still making his tapestries) and tell him of noble Stri'Ker. It is also my understanding that we shall be joined by his student. I extend a hearty welcome to him.

To Ainoryl,

Ahh, it appears that my haste conspired with my laxity of mind to betray me. I did not intend to claim the Dunmer did not or seldom used chain or that it bonemold was the sole answer. I'd elaborate further but, it appears that this disscusion is obsolete due to this new and exciting Dwemer discovery.

To Xanathar,

It is my opinion that if The Five Songs of King Wulfharth did refer to Wraithguard as the Wraith Mail then it is in error as it is my understanding that the artifact Sunder cannot be used without grave consequence when the Wraithguard is not being worn. The Five Songs of King Wulfharth contains several inconsistencies and would not be my first choice as a source to work from in the finding of the Wraith Mail, it was the only one I could think of. Perhaps a connection between the Wraith Mail and the Wraithguard does exist, it is a pity Master Trontskii and myself could not study it in depth to even see if the possibility of Mythoepoeic enchantments similar to Wraithguard's were present. Such study would have undoubtedly been a great disturbance. This find along with this discussion have given me many thoughts. Perhaps the Wraith Mail was a gift from Dunmac, akin to True Flame and Hopesfire, to Nerevar's Shield Bearer.

Solyn Kaerethi

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Re: Second Stone [Re: zingbat]
      #2315504 - 03/05/04 12:15 PM

It would be a fortunate place we live if we could choose the time and place of our demise. Alas, it is not to be.

OOC: Just to make things clear, I, err, I mean Striker wasn't forced into anything. Just so you know.

Attrebus

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And Stri'Ker, who died for these - May he be remembered always.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: mafafu]
      #2315697 - 03/05/04 01:08 PM

Cursed be my duty at times. Imagine my shock and sadness when, upon returning from duties in another Court, I learned that we have lost a great scholar and friend. I have no other words.

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Xanathar
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Re: Second Stone [Re: Attrebus]
      #2315931 - 03/05/04 02:11 PM

Master Solyn,

I am fully aware of the inconsistencies of Five Songs of King Wulfharth, yet this is the only source that brings the issue of Wraith Mail. The Nords record correctly two artifacts of Nerevarine; Sunder and Keening. The Five Songs of King Wulfharth, however, does not record the enchantments and the limitations of the artifacts. The song also does not record Kagrenac as the true owner of the artifacts, as we now know.

The last artifact, Wraith Mail has the almost the same name as Nerevarine’s Wraithguard. What I have written in my last letter is truly my speculation, I cannot prove anything to you yet. What can I suggest now while we are on the subject of this seemingly dwemeri creation, is to bring this artifact you and Master Trontskii found as soon as you can to the assembly here. I am really interested to see and study it. And if it is really needed, I will go to Corprusarium to pay visit to Yagrum Bagarn and asking his opinion on this matter.


Master Attrebus,

I would like to express my condolence for noble Stri’Ker, your mentor and our friend. As the council has decided, let’s the day is known as Dusk and Dusk until the end of time.


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Re: Second Stone [Re: Xanathar]
      #2316143 - 03/05/04 04:09 PM

We have arrived as quickly as possible. A spell of Mark before I departed and a casting of Recall from the caverns enabled simple transport. I surrender now the artifact to your investigation.

resents an link of metal shaped in the form of a hollow S; the metal appears to have a coloration darker than that of most Dwemer artifacts, but shows no outward signs of rust or decay:

As this day of mourning comes to an end, let me add my true regrets. I was too distant and engrossed before to speak more of my feelings. Stri'ker was a great scholar, who I wish I could have known better. In truth, I often allowed my thoughts of him slip away as I thought more of other scholars, but he was always there, a presence that influenced me. I will never forget this Khajiit. His life was good, and his death had meaning. His apprentice carries on his knowledge and legacy. Should I die, I can only hope the same can be said of me.

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Allerleirauh
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Re: Second Stone [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2316220 - 03/05/04 04:44 PM

Thank you, Master Trontskii, The T.S. Basilisk.

Ainoryl will examine the ringlet to verify that it is, in fact, a ringlet from the Wraithmail.

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For Now, I Take Leave [Re: Attrebus]
      #2316654 - 03/05/04 08:24 PM

This grief-stricken day of Dusk and Dusk has come and gone, and it is now time for us to forge anew. Unfortunately, I must bid all of you farewell for a few days. I am overcome with great sadness at the loss of one whom I have known for years. We first met back in the days of the Modern Adventurer, and I have many fond memories that I hope will sustain me for years to come. In solitude, I must reflect upon the decisions that I have made over the course of the last week. I shall return when I have spoken with my ancestors.

Until then, Nigedo and Allerleirauh, I bless you with Luck and Intelligence.

*casts Fortify Luck and Fortify Intelligence*

*disappears*

~B

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Re: For Now, I Take Leave [Re: B]
      #2316670 - 03/05/04 08:33 PM

Go well, good B, and return when you feel ready.

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The_Luggage
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My search continues [Re: Nigedo]
      #2316841 - 03/05/04 09:44 PM

"Residents of Hogithum Hall,

After being healed, I proceeded with all haste north, to the skaal village. The residents of Thirsk tell me he left that that way, nigh on three days ago. I though I would find him there, but it does not appear so. He left three days ago, returned and left yesterday. Korst Wind-eye tells me he seemed anxious, and searching for something. Korst tells me he left in the direction of Mortrag Glacier, so I will have to leave in the morning,

Yours,
-Lugagius, Imperial Scholar

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Re: My search continues [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2317392 - 03/06/04 01:08 AM

I am saddened to hear of the fall of a fellow warrior Khajiit, but it is good to know he did so in battle, and for a good cause. While few of my bretheren openly trust the furless humans and elves, he was willing to extend friendship to your kind and understanding. A rare thing, to be treasured. I trust you will honor his memory properly, as it should be. He was an example to us in these bitter times.

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Re: My search continues [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2317453 - 03/06/04 01:33 AM

Master Lugagius:

In all the grief over Stri’Ker’s valiant sacrifice for this Trial I had completely overlooked your last missive. Solstheim is a dangerous place, even now that Hircine has lifted his influence from the island since his alleged defeat at the hands of the Nerevarine. I am endlessly gratified that you have proven a match for the harsh snowy wastes thus far.

Your latest message troubles me, however… Be mindful that you are not searching for the Nerevarine, but for Azura’s Star, which may likely have been left or lost in a cave somewhere. The Skaal people would be the most likely to have seen or felt its presence, particularly Korst Wind-Eye, and all reports from the Isle of Solstheim since the Blood Moon have said that the Nerevarine disappeared months ago, shortly after delivering news of Hircine’s defeat to Fort Frostmoth, the people of Thirsk, and the Skaal village. I fear that either the Skaal are sending you on a wild goose chase or… perhaps something more sinister is afoot.

I have heard many conflicting reports on the gender and blood ancestry of the Nerevarine – as many swear to me that they met a beautiful Breton man as have told me that they saw a hulking Orc woman bearing the Moon-And-Star - but I do not think it is the Nerevarine you are tracking. Falx Carius at Frostmoth sent word to mainland Morrowind that he had been involved in some bizarre gladiatorial affair beneath the Mortrag Glacier, where you now head, and I cannot imagine that anything but danger awaits you there in the guise of your quarry. Take care, sera – be ready for anything. Do not take your own safety too lightly. You have but to say the word and I and a team of retainers will meet you there to ensure that we all live to delve another day.

--Louis D’Onus

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Re: Second Stone [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2317460 - 03/06/04 01:35 AM

Lord Trontskii:
Your efforts are truly wondrous. And though the cost was high, at this rate we shall have possession of all the necessary items for summoning well in advance of the Trial’s recommencement. Well done.

We now have 3 of the 4 necessary items for summoning accounted for. The 4th remains beyond our grasp for now, but I’ll die before I see it lost to the winds. We’ve come too far to miss this chance at revelation.

Unless I am called to Solstheim, I will away for two days time – when I return on 7th of First Seed I shall have a surprise for all gathered. Be strong, my friends in the Council – The Trial of Vehk is of great spiritual significance to the whole of Tamriel, and I believe that the future of Nirn itself will be effected by the quality of our actions here.

Daedra speed you all.

*Whisks crimson extravagant robes beneath his common gloved hands and strides out of the Hall with great determination*

*A stumbling sound echoes in the hallway*

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Re: Second Stone [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2317752 - 03/06/04 03:02 AM

I apologise for the delay in verification of the ringlet. The process is taking longer than expected. I thank you all for your effort and patience, and will return when I am sure of the items authenticity.

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Re: My search continues [Re: LDones]
      #2317762 - 03/06/04 03:05 AM

There is a reason that there are so many conflicting reports as to the identity of the Incarnate. I wrote of this in jest of the 36 lessons, and a mockery of those same, but still explaining much more than I knew at the time I wrote it.

You might be able to find the 'Incarnate' if that is your wish. You will need:

The Blood of a Live Dragon
Ashes of a Dead Incarnate
A Shattered Mirror

That is all that I can help you with. There is no gurantee that you can reach the Incarnate, it will just show you the current location, if it works. I don't know how many times it will be of use.

Best to seek out a shrine of Azura to find Azura's Star.

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Re: My search continues [Re: Dracodrakonis]
      #2318423 - 03/06/04 06:09 AM

What a recipe.

Have you tried reading the complete catalog of the University of Gwilym, while simultaneously combing your hair with a slab of bacon and slaying a flea with a battle axe?

Couldn’t hurt.

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Re: My search continues [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2318545 - 03/06/04 06:36 AM

I'll have to try that...


I mean, no... *quickly walks out of the hall muttering to himself*

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Re: My search continues [Re: LDones]
      #2318829 - 03/06/04 07:27 AM

"Residents of Hogithum Hall,

There is no longer any need for speculation on the whereabouts of Azura's star. I have found it!

I left the skaal village in the morning, with several warriors and Korst-Windeye. We left heading towards Mortrag Glacier, following the tracks of the incarnate. We soon found the tracks looping back and following another direction. Korst wanted to follow that way, but I paused. If my suspicions were correct, the incarnate would have been searching for the star at the glacier, and, with great supposition, the wrong time! I continued on with only Korst (the others were to try and track the Nevarevine). We reched the now glacier at dusk, and lo, near the centere there was an illumination. We managed to cut the star out, and I shall be back at the hall in three days.

Yours,
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Re: My search continues [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2319346 - 03/06/04 09:10 AM

It would seem all is near ready. It is because of this I take my leave of you for two days. I've been studing some information relating to recent events in the Nord city of Falkreath and wish to see for myself. I shall make my observations and be back as quickly as possible.

Many good wishs to you all, hold on to endurance as we await Azura's summoning.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: tegger]
      #2321541 - 03/06/04 09:32 PM

Kind Masters and Mistresses,

This one respectfully wishes to speak.

I have long and long been a traveller and observer in many parts of Tamriel, most recently here in this Hall. I previously never felt compelled to speak of my observations here, but that has changed. First I beg your indulgence for a brief introduction, so that you may perhaps better understand why I now stand before this illustrious assembly.

When I was still very young I began having exceptionally vivid dreams. Some of these were very pleasant, others were very frightening, and all were very confusing. Just before the time of my Becoming, an old sage of my kind revealed to me that I am a Soundwalker. For those who do not know, to my Marsh brothers and sisters this means--among other things--a seer, of sorts. Some Soundwalkers may be shown visions by the Voices of the Hidden (some say that they are from the Hist, but no one knows for sure). I have been told that this is a very rare gift, yet I seem to be a recipient of this "gift"... I often feel it is better to call it a curse. But I digress.

I "see" many things that others do not, but I sometimes do not understand all that they mean, despite my education as a mage having been expanded by ongoing mystic teachings from various cultures. In most cases, the things I see seem not to be especially important in the larger scheme of things. I stand here today because of a particular vision that has haunted my dreams for several consecutive nights. I am hopeful that someone here might help me to learn its meaning. My mind has tried to dismiss the images as yet another relatively minor vision, but my heart tells me that it may beg closer attention this time. It may affect us all. Then again, it might be an ordinary dream, after all.

In my vision I saw a multitude of young, from all of Nirn's races, gathered in a large room. They were happily playing a game, or perhaps several groups were playing at different games. Although the room was extremely and unnaturally large, it seemed to me that there were too many children there than could truly fit inside. Yet they were all inside, anyway. I should have felt delighted by this apparently magickal room and the children playing within, but something... Something unknown was behind (inside?) this seemingly pleasant vista. I began to feel uncertain... disoriented.

As I watched them play, some of the children's faces changed into other faces right before my eyes. Then it seemed that some were not children at all. There was even one who appeared as both Infant and Ancient at the same time, but when I looked closer I couldn't see that one at all until I looked away again. It also seemed that what I took for children's squeals of playful laughter might really be sighs of despair or awe, and screams of horror or pain. Yet there might have been laughter, too, cruel and jeering.

Then I heard a sound in the distance. I turned to a window that showed me nothing but my own face. And the sound... At first I thought it was the low rumbling thunder of a storm on the horizon. It gradually grew louder until finally it became a great roaring, and I thought that perhaps a dragon or some other beast must be approaching. I turned back to warn the children, but all I saw was the night sky, empty and vast. Then even that faded, and I suddenly awoke.


Perhaps I already understand part of this, but I would ask for other interpretations before telling my thoughts on it.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Soundwalker]
      #2321781 - 03/06/04 11:29 PM

Welcome, Soundwalker, to this hall and this gathering.

This is a puzzling vision. The more puzzling since it would seem to be fed upon your witness of events here.

Are we the children in your dream? It would be foolhardiness to suppose that these proceedings carry no lasting importance. Yet it would seem foolish to guess blindly at their broadest mythic significance.

The God Of Worms would skulk and tattle that we are meddlers in forces beyond mortal control, casting long shadows of doubt across our best intentions.

What we do here, we try to do honorably. What may come of it is yet to be seen. But this omen you bring to us is disturbing indeed.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Soundwalker]
      #2321891 - 03/07/04 12:10 AM

Ah, my old friend. I thought I saw you in the crowd, but it's so dark back there, and it has been long since we last met. I'm glad to see you alive and well after all this time!

I'm no mystic, so I don't know whether or not the images do indeed mean anything. I'll leave that to you and others to learn. But could it be that you've been having these strange dreams simply because of the recent stresses felt by so many in this Hall? At any rate, if you'll pardon my frankness, I think we could all use some rest for our weary minds. As soon as our duties allow a brief respite, perhaps we might meet at a nearby public house to discuss old times and new gossip.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2322211 - 03/07/04 01:59 AM

You are wise, Master Nigedo. I thank you for both your insight and your welcome.

I do feel that perhaps we are the children in the dream. But as you hinted, that may be only a fraction of the ultimate meaning of that particular dream-symbol (if it does indeed mean anything significant at all). I also believe you are right to point out that we should neither ignore these recent events (or omens) nor try to confine them within some erroneous boundary. The past and the present are difficult enough to fold into our cage of accurate interpretations; little wonder that the meaning of the future eludes our snares so well. *smile* I will ponder this further.

And Mistress Tegger, my old friend, we are indeed well met again. I will gladly accept your kind offer of hospitality as soon as time permits. *smile* For the present, however, I will take your suggestion and try to get some sleep. As you might imagine, my nights' rest has been much broken of late.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Soundwalker]
      #2322506 - 03/07/04 03:37 AM

Thats pretty funny cause I had a dream too. Since you already told me yours, I'll tell you mine.

It was about this Hall and its subject would not stray to far from the subject that is most important. It also entailed that those whom speak have more then a hair-thin relation to a hardly 'child' subject. I also dreamed that I would not be considered a child aswell as others whom might take offense to that, especially in light of a serious situation of losing one of their good friends on such a serious matter. I also dreamed that alittle more respect be given out to the establishment of this Court and its members, then to just speak out of turn on barely related subjects or dreams. I would hope that there was someone to enforce that in this courtroom before it degenerates into a circus. But, my dream like yours, has little to do with this Hall. And so keeping it to myself would have been the proper thing to do.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2322635 - 03/07/04 04:12 AM

My heart is made heavy to hear that I have caused offense. I certainly did not intend any disrespect, but I have no control over the content of my dream. In the telling of it, my clumsy hands have fallen against the sensitive strings of the heart. I would beg forgiveness for that.

I would not have spoken if I did not believe that the vision might be directly related to these proceedings. Even so, I would gladly withdraw my words if I were able, if that would remove any pain I have caused. I offer my most humble apologies as I withdraw from this Hall entirely.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Soundwalker]
      #2322718 - 03/07/04 04:35 AM

Soundwalker, we are all children here, even the gods. And all of us are greater, far, than we know; not only the gods. I believe you have glimpsed, for a moment, a little of that majesty. To speak of such things is usually unwise - it frightens without informing - but there may be times when such speech is needed. Tell someone - in private, if you will not return to our Hall - if you learn more of the dragon of your visions.

Lugagius, the recovery of Azura's Star is indeed good news, especially following on the heels of such fell news as the death of Stri'Ker in the recovery of the antlers. I trust we all know the Star, and need not confirm its identity. Please deliver it into Ainoryl's keeping on your return.

Ainoryl, how goes the matter of the verification of the ringlet?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2323546 - 03/07/04 07:56 AM

I am making progress. The item resists many of my attempts to read into it's true nature. This however leads me to believe that it is indeed more than a trinket. I am certain that I will have an answer for you all shortly.

I am very eager to see the return of Azura's Star. I wish you a speedy, and safe trip back to the hall Master Lugagius.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Ainoryl]
      #2323678 - 03/07/04 08:35 AM

"Residents of Hogithum hall,

I am on a boat bound for Vvardenfell, and I will arrive tomorrow. However, I have disturbing news to impart. For the last two nights, while I have slept, something has been calling me, a pleasant, female voice. While I am not around, the sailors inform me, they hear faint shrieks and thumps coming from my cabin, but when they check nothing is there. I had not examnied the star too closely, not wishing to be tempted by it. I then decided to, partly to see if it was the cause of these and partly (I shamefully admit) out of lust. for it's power. I discovered that the Incarnate had trapped a monstrously powerful soul, which is tempting me to release it. I would surmise it to be one of the more powerful, lesser Daedra, but somehow, I don't think so. I should not indulge my hunches, as they do not become a scholar, but somehow... Bah! The sufferings of a vain mind. I shall steel myself against it, and hopefully I shall reach the hall before I go too far.

Yours,

-Lugagius, Imperial Scholar"


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: The_Luggage]
      #2323760 - 03/07/04 08:56 AM

Lugagius, i would not claim to be an expert on the Daedra, but i fear that what you hear from within the star may be a Dark Seducer, one of the more intelligent and feared of the lesser Daedra. If so, i would advise extreme caution on your part, perhaps you have a powerful locking spell to put on the chest to stop yourself or the sailors from being tempted to release such a foe??

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2323999 - 03/07/04 09:56 AM

Bah, the dragon speaks to all but not everyone listens. Dreams, Portents, Signs. They are all around us screaming, can you not hear them ?

Soundwalkers dream is of more consequence than anyone dares to guess....... And related to theese 'proceedings' far more than any would like to know.

Though we no longer need to seek the shattered mirror it seems that the shattered mirror had found us anyway.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Dracodrakonis]
      #2326556 - 03/08/04 03:07 AM

My return seems to be at an uncomfortable time. I would like to repeat what I said earlier, that we indeed are meddling in affairs of the divine, or should I say the ex-divine. Yet because our accused is mortal (at this point), it is in our right to do what we are doing. Let us hold fast to our goal, no matter the actions of the dark powers.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Girai_Harkaanius]
      #2328416 - 03/08/04 01:34 PM

How do you suppose that because a once-god is now mortal, it is thus your 'right' to put him to trial? Vehk is on trial because he wills it. I think it would be wise to keep that in mind.

I do however agree, we should hold fast to our goal. I commend everyone in this hall in their efforts, especially our Tribunal, and all those who have risked and sacrificed to recover the items for Hogithum.

I am still busy at work on the ringlet. The work should be done very soon.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Soundwalker]
      #2329064 - 03/08/04 08:20 PM

After much time and meditation, I have returned. The Ancestors have spoken. I have made the difficult decision to continue with these proceedings. I had considered abandoning my research altogether, but I realized that such a choice would not have been what Stri'Ker would have wanted me to do. So, in memory of my lost Khajiit brother, I will forge ahead.

I want to congratulate those of you who have successfully procured the gifts for Azura. Your bravery and determination are assets to us all. The Time of Summoning is almost upon us.

Now, I would like to address the Argonian. Soundwalker, dreams are powerful forces. I am skilled in mysticism, but I must confess that I am more than a little puzzled by your vision. I will not profess to fully understand any dream, let alone yours. A few things strike me: This room seems symbolic of something greater. Perhaps it is a representation of the Mundus that we all inhabit; our lives, like games, are in motion. With that being said, it could be reasonable to guess that you may have glimpsed at the past and the future intersecting. It is unclear if this event has occurred or if it will occur. Your vision simply could have been a warning to us all. The reason I bring up the warning issue is because of your comments on the sound you heard toward the end of your dream. I would have liked to have known what was beyond that window, too. No matter. Unfortunately, an impending storm and the coming of the Dragon are obvious references and perhaps ill omens, as was earlier suggested. I do, however, thank you for sharing your insight, and I hope you will change your mind and continue to visit this hall.

Before I turn the floor back over, I have two additional requests. First, could someone repeat the list of questions we have decided to ask Azura. And second, I ask if there is anything that this Tribunal wishes me to do.

I anxiously await your reply,

~B

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: B]
      #2329083 - 03/08/04 08:33 PM

Welcome back to this company B. I am pleased that you have decided to continue this journey with us.

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Before I turn the floor back over, I have two additional requests. First, could someone repeat the list of questions we have decided to ask Azura. And second, I ask if there is anything that this Tribunal wishes me to do.



For the first, I do not believe that we have an affirmed list of questions. I am sure that Phil will confirm this.

For the second, perhaps you would be kind enough to take the lead in compiling such a list. I believe that your level-headed impartiality would be most effective for that task.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2329551 - 03/08/04 11:25 PM

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For the second, perhaps you would be kind enough to take the lead in compiling such a list. I believe that your level-headed impartiality would be most effective for that task.




It would be my pleasure. I shall return...

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Ainoryl]
      #2329911 - 03/09/04 01:55 AM

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How do you suppose that because a once-god is now mortal, it is thus your 'right' to put him to trial? Vehk is on trial because he wills it. I think it would be wise to keep that in mind.




But of course my good Ainoryl. Lork Vehk wills those who would once follow and honor him, to justly judge him and innevitably condemn him. Given his past deeds do indeed prove him to be the barbaric overlord he is being tried for, it is only right that this Tribunal posts a great punishment upon him. For, the mortal leaders of this existence will see it fit to condemn such a man, but an even greater man such as Lord Vehk? I do await The Lady of The Mortal's "Truth", Azura, to enlighten this perhaps, jaded congregation. Do understand, if the Tribunal finds Lord Vehk to be a blackened light among brightness, I, the King of Worms shall applaud thee for carrying out the task at hand. If Lord Vehk prevails, I can only begin to foresee the smile he shall wear for eternity.

And do know, my good Tribunal, no harm has or will come to your companion, Stri'Ker. For, his spirit is far too noble for my tamperings. His soul rests upon a pedastal of brilliance, of which not even the likes of the King of Worms can gaze upon. I am stunned that many would have me as a "thief" of souls.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: God_of_Worms]
      #2330028 - 03/09/04 02:41 AM

I confirm that no definitive list of questions for the Daedra Prince Azura has been finalised - only two weeks remain so i would suggest that the forum hurries to a decision on this matter!

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: phil_t]
      #2330099 - 03/09/04 03:07 AM

Say, rather, that two weeks still remain. Surely there are more questions that you desire to ask. Azura's time with us will be short; the Tribunal must decide what questions are worthy of her attention. But the Council's input is still very much needed.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2330160 - 03/09/04 03:29 AM

As you put it, my lady, two weeks still remain

The questions that have been proposed so far:

Was Nerevar indeed slain by the Tribunal, and if so, how was Vehk involved? proposed by TSBasilisk

Is the Vehk we see before us - stripped of his stolen Godhood - the same being that existed before he used the Heart?

What happened to the Dwemer? both proposed by the fallen Stri'Ker

In your esteem, have the Tribunal paid for their crimes or the crimes of their mortal forebears? If not, with the Chimer of Resdayn transformed into the Dunmer of Morrowind, Sotha Sil slain at the hands of Almalexia, and Almalexia slain at the hands of the now-missing Nerevarine, what manner of penance could remain for Vehk with his divinity now shorn?

Why have you taken such offence to Vehk's actions if he as a god has done so much to benefit the people you "love"? both proposed by Girai


Should I be found guilty of past transgressions in a world that no longer lives, how might I find my absolution? proposed by Vehk

The Tribunal 'stole' godhood to help the Chimer people. Here you plot to steal worship from the Tribunal, to steal the Dunmer's hearts as you and Boethia did before, so many thousands of years ago. How are you any different than Vehk, if not more deceitful and selfish? proposed by Helton

In becoming gods of the Chimer, did Vivec and the other Tribunes take upon themselves the spiritual welfare of the Chimer, thereby removing the Chimer from the divine stewardship of Mephala, Azura and Boethiah? proposed by Nigedo (for Sheogorath, be he said to hold it for Azura if it was not answered)

I think thats all so far, i apologise sincerely if i have missed anybody out of the proceedings, i am new to the court reporter game after all

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: phil_t]
      #2330270 - 03/09/04 04:08 AM

Mine was similar to Nigedo's:

Did the three Daedra Princes known as the Anticipations, Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala, in fact bless the ascension of the Tribunal to godhood? Are the words of the Tribunal Temple regarding the Anticipations blasphemy, or worship?

It seems to me that we should refrain from asking questions which insult Azura. She will be summoned, but still powerful, and not our slave. The matter at hand is the guilt of Vivec: his crimes against Nerevar, and against Azura, and against his own spirit, and against the order of the world. And against the people of Morrowind, insofar as Azura may be presumed to have a vested interest in them.

I have a second question.

Vivec has admitted that he broke his oath to Nerevar not to use the Tools of Kagrenac, an oath sworn on the name of Azura. What is the penalty for such a broken oath?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2330551 - 03/09/04 05:42 AM

As you say, Allerleirauh, the oath that the three advisers of Nerevar swore, they swore by Azura.

I do not see that we have grounds to recriminate Vehk further on that issue since their immediate offense was to have profaned name of Azura upon whom they swore. It is surely for Azura to punish mortals that profane her name.

However, I would have confirmation from Azura, if she is willing, why the sin of AMSIVI was apparently visited upon the children of Morrowind.

Vehk has said that in the instance of ALMSIVI's apotheosis at the Heart-Spring of godhood the history of Mundus was changed from eternity to eternity. If this is so, then my reasoning is that the desire of ALMSIVI to have always been the gods of the Chimer, born of the breaking of an oath and the betrayal of a king, was poisoned at root and thus poisoned in fulfillment.

This could be regarded as a crime against the Chimer, that saw their end and immediate replacement by the Dunmer. Not the breaking of the oath per se, but the divine ownership of a people through an illegitimate means tainted by oathbreaking and betrayal.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nigedo]
      #2330886 - 03/09/04 07:03 AM

Hmm... was the sin of ALMSIVI truly visited upon the children of Morrowind? There are differing accounts of this matter. Vivec's words:

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And then, in that moment, all Chimer were changed into Dunmer, and our skins turned ashen and our eyes into fire. Of course, we only knew at that time that this had happened to us, but Azura said, "This is not my act, but your act. You have chosen your fate, and the fate of your people, and all the Dunmer shall share your fate, from now to the end of time. You think yourselves gods, but you are blind, and all is darkness." And Azura left us alone, in darkness, and we were all afraid, but we put on brave faces, and went forth from Red Mountain to build the new world of our dreams.





We have established, I think, that Vehk lies when it suits him, but I regard this account as the more likely of the two.

And though my own skin is fair, I can think of no reason to regard this dark skin as a curse. It is, at most, a symbol of the other darkness, a darkness of spirit, which brings all good intentions to bad ends. Did the Tribunal create that darkness, or were they a result of it? You are Dunmer, what say you?


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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Ainoryl]
      #2331134 - 03/09/04 08:14 AM

Perhaps madness is getting to me, but I suddenly distrust the plans of our priest Ainoryl. I do not wish to offend him, as I have no grounds to accuse him of anything, or even to suspect.

I just feel that he has requested some very powerful artifacts for the summoning of Azura. I have read account reffering to such summonings that were much simpler, simply using magics and candles. Tie this in with the dream our Argonian friend has told us about and I am honestly creeped out.

Whatever is going to happen, I think I would be better off watching it from a safe place. I will be taking my leave in the morning, good luck to everyone of you fine scholars.

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My Sincere Apologies [Re: phil_t]
      #2331244 - 03/09/04 08:53 AM

Please accept my humble apologies for taking so long to compile a list of questions to date. I Recalled my Mark as fast as I could, but I see that phil_t has completed the list for you, Nigedo. I certainly am not one for excuses, but I was giving a lecture on Mysticism to a bunch of young students at the Mages Guild in Balmora. I don’t particularly care for the place, but I promised an old friend that I would do it. I understand that time is of the essence, so I understand the need to have the list generated so quickly. I hope you will still consider my services in the future.

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Re: My Sincere Apologies *DELETED* [Re: B]
      #2331449 - 03/09/04 09:57 AM

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      #2331453 - 03/09/04 09:58 AM

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Re: My Sincere Apologies [Re: TinyTean_Ironaxe]
      #2331490 - 03/09/04 10:09 AM

...they say it's better than yours...

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2331623 - 03/09/04 10:50 AM

Quote:

Hmm... was the sin of ALMSIVI truly visited upon the children of Morrowind? There are differing accounts of this matter. Vivec's words:

Quote:

And then, in that moment, all Chimer were changed into Dunmer, and our skins turned ashen and our eyes into fire. Of course, we only knew at that time that this had happened to us, but Azura said, "This is not my act, but your act. You have chosen your fate, and the fate of your people, and all the Dunmer shall share your fate, from now to the end of time. You think yourselves gods, but you are blind, and all is darkness." And Azura left us alone, in darkness, and we were all afraid, but we put on brave faces, and went forth from Red Mountain to build the new world of our dreams.





We have established, I think, that Vehk lies when it suits him, but I regard this account as the more likely of the two.

And though my own skin is fair, I can think of no reason to regard this dark skin as a curse. It is, at most, a symbol of the other darkness, a darkness of spirit, which brings all good intentions to bad ends. Did the Tribunal create that darkness, or were they a result of it? You are Dunmer, what say you?





The darkness of the dunmer's skin and the light in their eyes serve as a reminder to the Tribunal that though they tried with all their might they could not outlive the word of prophecy laid down by the Lord of Dawn and Twilight. For truely it was not even within her own power to change the fate of the Triune once they had chosen the path.

Tell me Vehk, now that the night of Prophecy is almost upon you do you see the glowing embers of your children staring back at you, finally awaiting reply for the dawn the Triune created?

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Nael]
      #2331755 - 03/09/04 11:32 AM

Quote:

Tell me Vehk, now that the night of Prophecy is almost upon you do you see the glowing embers of your children staring back at you, finally awaiting reply for the dawn the Triune created?




Mortal Trials and the Death of Language as Commodity of Fruitful Exchange

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Allerleirauh]
      #2332075 - 03/09/04 01:22 PM

*A half-seen spectre of Louis D'Onus manifests itself near the fore of the Hall - he quickly turns his attention to those gathered, his face wild-eyed and haggard with exhaustion, brow heavy with sweat*

O-, th-nk Azu---! Is --at you -f th- Council?

*the image solidifies for a moment and then is suddenly nearly gone*

Bl-st th-- damnable thing, it isn't---- I finall h-ve s---thi-- th-t I be----e to be of gr--- value to us, but--

*The image subsides, leaving a strange musty, almost-tangible mist in it's wake*

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: LDones]
      #2332154 - 03/09/04 01:54 PM

Well now. *This* looks interesting.

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Vehk]
      #2332504 - 03/09/04 05:02 PM

I have consulted the skulls, the Master, and the array of false planets...

The verification of the ringlet shall be so:

Harold Trontskii must place the ringlet in his mouth. Almost immediately he shall feel heavy, yet light-headed. And a Voice will speak through him, carrying a simple yet beautiful yet powerful message from the greyness between times.

If the ringlet is true, Master Vehk shall hear his lover-liar Alandro Sul in this Voice, and this part of our quest is done, and much glory will there be in the name of Harold Trontskii.

If the ringlet is false, the speaker will die.

Beware, Harold Trontskii, lest the Voice falter.

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Danger! [Re: Ainoryl]
      #2332576 - 03/09/04 05:41 PM

Hold Harold Tronskii, do nothing until you have considered this warning!

We have already lost one true seeker to this quest and I would not have you face this danger lightly.

If the ringlet is false, you will surely die as Ainoryl has spoken.

You must recognise this risk and weigh for yourself the possibility of fatal consequence before you act as Ainoryl directs.

Whichever course you take, you decide it, and do so with open eyes.

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Re: Danger! [Re: Nigedo]
      #2332706 - 03/09/04 06:36 PM

* The librarian looks tired after some days of travel, and he looks terribly shocked by the latest proclamation, as he enters the hall *

No, that's cannot be. I cannot see another scholar dies on this. There must be another way.

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Hogithum Hall Idea-Space Resource [Re: Vehk]
      #2332959 - 03/09/04 08:48 PM

*Half-stumbles, half-runs through the Hall's great archway*

My fellow councillors. My return to Hogithum Hall comes later than I had expected, though news of these latest motions comes to me through the messengers I have in the Sweepers here. Despite the troubling rumblings involving the verification of the Wraithmail ringlet, I must that my time away has not been fruitless.

As several of you know, I have spent the past four days in and out of feverish meditation in an attempt to learn a technique that would enable me to create an explorable pocket of information space here in the Hall. It is done.

This grouping of information in space is a concept I have called, however childishly, Ideaspace, and I have furnished it with a chronicle of this Trial and what we have uncovered through it thus far. It can be accessed from anywhere in the Hall, or even beyond with the proper incantation. Focus your mind and you will see it - see it and you will understand how to enter it. The less corporeal of you among us will have no trouble understanding and exploring it. Mortals should be prepared for some initial disorentation.

If any are just joining us or seek a record or refresher of relevant information, please refer to it.

Should you notice an inaccuracy or problem with the information within, please notify me or another Council member and we will reconstruct it in a more satisfactory manor. The Hogithum Hall Ideaspace will be updated as more information comes to light.

I apologize for my most recent, potentially troubling non-corporeal appearance here - it was but a side effect of the search for these coordinates with my astral presence.

With that said, I must say I find this most recent development regarding the potential fate of the procurer of the ringlet most troubling, indeed. Can no other stand in Lord Basilisk's place, Priest Ainoryl?

As bitter a taste as it leaves with me, we should begin seeing into dispatching a search party for Master Lugagius. His boat from Solstheim departed some days ago under troubling circumstances, and there is no word from the Bitter Coast or West Gash Region ports of his arrival. His final message to us is dangerously foreboding, and I fear some great ill has befallen him. I pray that I am wrong.

Still, I must rest now. My toils have taken much from me, and I must restore myself while I remain able to stand. I hope the record of the Trial proves useful.

If no word arrives from Lugagius between now and my return I will charter a boat from Khuul and begin my search for him. And may fortune be with you, Lord Basilisk.

--Louis D'Onus
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Re: Hogithum Hall Idea-Space Resource [Re: LDones]
      #2333394 - 03/10/04 12:33 AM

Dear B, i did not mean to steal your thunder or suggest that you were not compentant to produce such a list - as Court Reporter i felt duty bound to produce the questions as expediantly as possible, and i apologise sincerely if offense has been taken.

To Louis D'Onus, i entered this Ideaspace of yours through use of arcane magics, and must report it to be a splendid store of information on the trial! However, i must confess it is the first place in which i have been accused of 'enumerating' anything

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No Offense Taken [Re: phil_t]
      #2333610 - 03/10/04 01:34 AM

Quote:


Dear B, i did not mean to steal your thunder or suggest that you were not compentant to produce such a list - as Court Reporter i felt duty bound to produce the questions as expediantly as possible, and i apologise sincerely if offense has been taken.




Phil_t,

Put your mind at ease. I am not offended in the least. I am quite busy with my lessons and lectures that I don’t get to visit this place as much as I would like. I figured you would have an accurate list since you have been assigned the position of Court Reporter. You are doing an excellent job, and I know it will continue.

Sincerely,

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Re: No Offense Taken [Re: B]
      #2334109 - 03/10/04 03:44 AM

I am willing to risk this danger. True knowledge cannot be found along the road that is safe. To learn, to grow, to become more than you are, one must take all paths, no matter what threats loom about. I have explored Dwemer ruins, and pondered their mysteries. I have swum above Dreugh colonies, and beheld their submerged splendor. I have done much with my life, and if I die for a good cause, I will be pleased in the afterlife. As I have said many times in arguments with Girai, the eventual goal of Mundus is to transcend what we were and become a purity of what we can be. To die in the effort to reach a worthy goal is to obtain a true reason for existence.

Know this: I risk my own life, not because I do not care for it, but because I would not be worthy of it if I were not willing to risk it.

:takes the ringlet and places it in his mouth:

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Re: Hogithum Preparations [Re: Vehk]
      #2334386 - 03/10/04 05:18 AM

Quote:


Mortal Trials and the Death of Language as Commodity of Fruitful Exchange




You of all people should know that the breath of a word will always outlast the breath of a man. I can only hope the speaker realizes this as well... for his own sake.

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Re: No Offense Taken [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2334480 - 03/10/04 05:34 AM

Heh heh heh heh.

Oh, this is marvelous.

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The Voice [Re: TSBasilisk]
      #2334496 - 03/10/04 05:40 AM

I await the phrase that will prove this ringlet true, or as a scale from a false and poisoned serpent.

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Re: No Offense Taken [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2334671 - 03/10/04 06:30 AM

Quote:

Heh heh heh heh.

Oh, this is marvelous.




[Feels an Earthquake as Sheogorath laughs. I almost fell down if it was not for my aged staff to hold me up]

What madness is this! NOO it can't be! Hold we must...

[Turns to look at TSBasilisk as he places the ringlet in his mouth. I catch a gleam from Ainoryl, unsure if it was a smirk or not.]

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Re: No Offense [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2334713 - 03/10/04 06:41 AM

If I use my mouth the words are Sithis.

Come. Let us dance Sheogorath, before the Voice is heard, so that our number is greater.

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Re: No Offense [Re: Nael]
      #2334937 - 03/10/04 08:01 AM

Twirling, wHirling, fastER, fastEr,
neIther you nor i Shall lead,
for madNess is Our maSter.
no mUsiC nor Have we need
of any rhyTHm for thIs daNce,
Go ASk for A poison song
and catcH a beat to prance
from a heart knowIng right from wrong.
Dear chilD, wE Need no band
to play, but you only need to call,
and i’ll guide you by my firM hand,
dEep down the umbrAgeous hall.
The soNg’s all mIrthless laughter, aNd remember when we ask,
you Gorge off your own face at the end of the stately masque.


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Re: No Offense [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2334981 - 03/10/04 08:14 AM

Oh yes there is!

EDIT: to tegger, below:

Kind of hard to miss, it is.

The hidden message is that there isn't one. More paradoxical than ironic.

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Edited by mafafu (03/10/04 08:43 AM)

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Re: No Offense [Re: mafafu]
      #2334989 - 03/10/04 08:16 AM

Quote:

Oh yes there is!




Not so much when the Mad One makes it so obvious, though.

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Re: No Offense [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2335010 - 03/10/04 08:24 AM

[wipes some beads of sweat from forhead]

I was truely worried we were not cautious enough. This is great, if Nael's phrase is the proper one then we shall soon hear from Alandro Sul.

I find Sheogorath's poem cleverly ironic. Though it may at first appear as though it has a hidden meaning it really doesnt.

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Please remove yourselves [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2335082 - 03/10/04 08:49 AM

RANDOM SORROW THOUGHT PATTERN SALVO INCOMING

(Sheogorath, I knew better)

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Re: No Offense [Re: Aquiantus]
      #2335099 - 03/10/04 08:55 AM

Quote:

[wipes some beads of sweat from forhead]

I was truely worried we were not cautious enough. This is great, if Nael's phrase is the proper one then we shall soon hear from Alandro Sul.




Unfortunately I was not called to seek a speak but to unintentially misinterpret it's meanings, for I am the greatest dwarf that lost his way where truths and intentions intersect.

Quote:

I find Sheogorath's poem cleverly ironic. Though it may at first appear as though it has a hidden meaning it really doesnt.




When is there ever a hidden meaning? If you fail to see you have hidden yourself away. But I digress...

The sum of these words leaves me empty and now I await the true speaker. I beg forgiveness kind priest. *bows to Ainoryl and seats himself upon a finely embroidered carpet*





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Re: No Offense [Re: Nael]
      #2335103 - 03/10/04 08:56 AM

For the glory of ALMSIVI, Master Nael, REMOVE yourself from this trembling hall!

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Re: No Offense [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2335124 - 03/10/04 09:02 AM

Wines and worms, how far from the border am I! Academic garnishments, and alas, Liodes Jurus! When I say that it’s time to dance, unswollen meats, it’s time to dance!

Unmask! Unmask! Oh, stones of the Hall, unmask!


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Re: No Offense [Re: Sheogorath]
      #2335150 - 03/10/04 09:10 AM

Mad Sheogorath, SILENCE!

I will not have even you, no, not even you pollute these walls with your nonsense. I know you to be necessary to these proceedings, but if you cannot try at least a modicum of restraint for our mortal sakes, we will have no choice but to abandon this cause.

This Hall is now closed for fumigation. Stand by for a new Hall to stand in its stead.

Edit: The New Hall is now open.

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